Hand-Fired Coal Stove for Mobile Home?

MURDOC1 · Post by **MURDOC1** » Wed. Oct. 19, 2011 6:42 pm

Found this, maybe it is a starting point for further research- http://www.murphyheating.com/external-air.php

Not sure where this place is? Just found it quickly while browsing...

Ok, well so much for that, this joint is located in Ireland!!!

009to090 · Post by **009to090** » Wed. Oct. 19, 2011 7:13 pm

McGiever wrote:The Harman DVC-500 is one approved for mobile homes.
Safety Testing (by Warnock Hersey):
ASTM E1509 • Mobile home-approved

Yes it is. Because it doesn't need "Makeup Air" All of its air for combustion comes thru the double-walled vent pipe.

Post by **Rob R.** » Wed. Oct. 19, 2011 7:18 pm

What seems silly to me is that this is a double-wide with a normal size living room, and it is anchored on a concrete slab...and yet it is still classified as a mobile home. If it were a modular home of the same size, set on a slab the same way...he could install any stove he wants.

009to090 · Post by **009to090** » Wed. Oct. 19, 2011 7:24 pm

markviii wrote:What seems silly to me is that this is a double-wide with a normal size living room, and it is anchored on a concrete slab...and yet it is still classified as a mobile home. If it were a modular home of the same size, set on a slab the same way...he could install any stove he wants.

Why is it NOT classified as a Modular Home? Yes, they have different codes for them, Mobile Home being on the low end of the Totem Pole.
I think if the axles are removed, it could be a Modular.

Hambden Bob · Post by **Hambden Bob** » Wed. Oct. 19, 2011 7:26 pm

I do seem to recall that quite some time ago,under the original ownership,that the Harman "Mark" Series hand-fired could be ordered with a code-compliant outside air tube to qualify for being used in super-tight "manufactured housing". He may want to check with the new Harman ownership and see if it's still available. Like DVC500 said,Harman's are Warnock-Hersey tested. I'm not a big fan of the new Harman Co.,but it's the only thing that comes to mind for a hand-fired. Also tell him to move out of that Ghadfly Yuppie Gulag if they're that assinine....He could be the only normal one left...

VigIIPeaBurner · Post by **VigIIPeaBurner** » Wed. Oct. 19, 2011 7:33 pm

DVC500 at last wrote:
markviii wrote:What seems silly to me is that this is a double-wide with a normal size living room, and it is anchored on a concrete slab...and yet it is still classified as a mobile home. If it were a modular home of the same size, set on a slab the same way...he could install any stove he wants.
Why is it NOT classified as a Modular Home? Yes, they have different codes for them, Mobile Home being on the low end of the Totem Pole.
I think if the axles are removed, it could be a Modular.

IIRC, a modular sits on a standard foundation and the components need to by transported to the site on a flatbed. Jack it up off the foundation and you have a piece of house hanging in the air.

A mobile home has a frame designed to travel. Jack up the mobile home, slide the wheel sets under the frame, hook it up to a tractor and away you go to the next park.

... but then agian, I didn't check this out

EarthWindandFire · Post by **EarthWindandFire** » Thu. Oct. 20, 2011 9:07 am

This is from the Antique Stove Hospital's website which I will research later today.

UL Listing
Many times an inspector will say a stove must be UL listed. This rule only applies to stove manufactured since Jan. 1, 1981. Any stove made before that time is grandfathered but must be looked over for damage etc. The rules are found under the BOCA codes or the ASME codes, " solid fuel room heaters" in the exemption section at the end.

http://ulstandardsinfonet.ul.com/scopes/scopes.as ... =1482.html

2DeXtreMe · Post by **2DeXtreMe** » Sun. Oct. 23, 2011 2:57 am

markviii wrote:A friend of mine wants to get into the world of coal burning with a hand-fired stove, but has hit a snag. His house is a fairly new double-wide, and is classified as a "Mobile Home". I didn't realize this, but there are special code requirements for stoves installed in a mobile home.

1. They have to be UL approved for that purpose.
2. The legs must be made so that the stove can be bolted to the floor.
3. The house must be fitted with some sort of make-up air device.

So far, I have not found a single coal stove that is UL approved for use in a mobile home. Does anyone know of one that is?

I started a similar thread earlier this year. Some of the guys here really gave me some great links to several mfg. I am just not sure if any of them are UL approved. You didn't mentioned the sqft of your friend's living space. Check out "Small stove in a camper or RV. Small Stove in a Camper or RV

If EarthWindandFire is correct about being able to install a stove if was built before 1981, and not to adhere to any standing codes because of a pre 1981 MFG date, then you should be in luck because there are many coal stoves available for sale on craigslist that were built before 1981.

2DeXtreMe · Post by **2DeXtreMe** » Sun. Oct. 23, 2011 3:01 am

EarthWindandFire wrote:Here is the Rule and many inspectors AND insurance companies aren't aware of it. If your stove was manufactured before January 1, 1981 it is EXEMPT from the requirement to be UL listed. Stoves made after that date are not exempt.

Are you certain that this is the case here in CT?

murphyslaw · Post by **murphyslaw** » Sun. Oct. 23, 2011 8:53 am

Any good Automotive electrical shops around? I have an auto shop that rebuilds alternators and starters and such that could prob rebuild that feller... May be work taking it to a few electrical joints.

SteveZee · Post by **SteveZee** » Sun. Oct. 23, 2011 7:26 pm

2DeXtreMe wrote:
EarthWindandFire wrote:Here is the Rule and many inspectors AND insurance companies aren't aware of it. If your stove was manufactured before January 1, 1981 it is EXEMPT from the requirement to be UL listed. Stoves made after that date are not exempt.
Are you certain that this is the case here in CT?

You'd have to check Ct. codes but that "grandfather" rule does apply here in Maine. I do not know if it applies to mobile homes though? That and generally speaking the law was intended for working stoves already in place. Easier to fudge that in an old house though.

Post by **Rob R.** » Tue. Jan. 03, 2012 11:44 am

EarthWindandFire wrote:Here is the Rule and many inspectors AND insurance companies aren't aware of it. If your stove was manufactured before January 1, 1981 it is EXEMPT from the requirement to be UL listed. Stoves made after that date are not exempt.

Time for an update. My friend met with the code officer last week and had a thorough discussion about this. In the end he agreed that an antique stove (UL exempt) can be installed in the home as long as it complies with standard clearances. Maybe there will be a Glenwood in his future...

EarthWindandFire · Post by **EarthWindandFire** » Tue. Jan. 03, 2012 1:23 pm

I was hoping that this was true and that someone would eventually verify and corroborate the information I posted.

I hope you help him find a great stove, Rob!

oros35 · Post by **oros35** » Wed. Jan. 04, 2012 10:56 am

So in reading all this, I came up with a question. My stove is in my basement, under my 'doublewide mobile home' (although you would have to look close to know its a mobile home. I just had it appraised and they completely missed that it was a 'mobile home', but when they compared some other documents they called back and asked. Now the interest rate just jumped 2% Grrr but that's a whole nother story)

So the stove is not "in" my mobile home, it's under it. The basement is a finished game room, drywall'd and all. So does that fall under the stove in a mobile home category? Stove and chimney are completely independent of the mobile home, they just reside in the block walled building the mobile home is sitting on.

marthamacmorre · Post by **marthamacmorre** » Mon. Oct. 01, 2018 2:10 am

Really informative thread for the people who live in the mobile home.