Heat Output Baseburner Vs Modern
- Smoker858
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- Location: Parsippany, NJ
- Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
- Baseburners & Antiques: Reading Stove Works Penn circa 1900
- Coal Size/Type: Nut
- Other Heating: nat gas
So as I prepare to fireup a converted Vigilant Coal Stove with hopper my wife remembers 20 years ago (how they remember these things is way beyond me) her difficulties with the stove.
So just in case push comes to shove my first choice of a replacement stove will be a Hitzer 50-93 or a 30-95.
As you can see in the data below I did not include a stoker or basement model for the family room.
Nut is my preferred size coal.
So how would a baseburner (I really like these old beautifel works of art) compare to todays stove considering I will heat a 2,400 sq ft 2 level house, no basement.
The Vigilant wood did a swell job.
If you want a copy of this excel sheet send a PM.
BRAND MODEL FUEL Square Feet Capability BTU Burn Time Hopper FIREBOX Combustion Air Inlet
L x W Depth
HITZER 254 C / W 2000 60,000 8 to 10 13 x 20 Bimetallic Spinner
HITZER 354 C / W 2500 20,000 100,000 8 to 10 13 x 251/2 19 Bimetallic Spinner
30-95 Pea / Nut 2000 11,600 60,00 30 Pound 12 x 20 19 Bimetallic Slide
50-93 Pea / Nut 2500 20,000 100,000 50 Pound 13 1/2 x 25 21 Bimetallic Slide
HARMAN TLC-2000 C / W 1900 72,000 unknown 2.875 cu ft Slide
MARK-I P, N, S 1400 48,000 24 unknown 1.35 cu ft Slide
MARK-II P, N, S 1900 72,000 >24 unknown 1.9 cu ft Slide
MARK-III P, N, S 2400 92,000 >24 unknown 2.82 cu ft Slide
DS Machine
Circulator 1500-WH C 96,000 36 to 48 Optional 16 x 16
Circulator 1500-WHM C 55,000 11 1/2 x 13 1/2
Newstyle DS-1400WH C 80,000 13 1/2 x 16
Riteburn DS-1600 C 135,000 13 1/2 x 24
ALASKA Gnome 40 Rice 1500 2500 40000 70 Pound Reostat
Channing III Rice 25000 5000 85000 100 Pound Reostat
Kast Console III Rice 25000 5000 85000 100 Pound
Kast Console II Rice 25000 5000 85000 75 Pound
Kodiak Pea / Nut 3000 15000 100000 35 Pound
So just in case push comes to shove my first choice of a replacement stove will be a Hitzer 50-93 or a 30-95.
As you can see in the data below I did not include a stoker or basement model for the family room.
Nut is my preferred size coal.
So how would a baseburner (I really like these old beautifel works of art) compare to todays stove considering I will heat a 2,400 sq ft 2 level house, no basement.
The Vigilant wood did a swell job.
If you want a copy of this excel sheet send a PM.
BRAND MODEL FUEL Square Feet Capability BTU Burn Time Hopper FIREBOX Combustion Air Inlet
L x W Depth
HITZER 254 C / W 2000 60,000 8 to 10 13 x 20 Bimetallic Spinner
HITZER 354 C / W 2500 20,000 100,000 8 to 10 13 x 251/2 19 Bimetallic Spinner
30-95 Pea / Nut 2000 11,600 60,00 30 Pound 12 x 20 19 Bimetallic Slide
50-93 Pea / Nut 2500 20,000 100,000 50 Pound 13 1/2 x 25 21 Bimetallic Slide
HARMAN TLC-2000 C / W 1900 72,000 unknown 2.875 cu ft Slide
MARK-I P, N, S 1400 48,000 24 unknown 1.35 cu ft Slide
MARK-II P, N, S 1900 72,000 >24 unknown 1.9 cu ft Slide
MARK-III P, N, S 2400 92,000 >24 unknown 2.82 cu ft Slide
DS Machine
Circulator 1500-WH C 96,000 36 to 48 Optional 16 x 16
Circulator 1500-WHM C 55,000 11 1/2 x 13 1/2
Newstyle DS-1400WH C 80,000 13 1/2 x 16
Riteburn DS-1600 C 135,000 13 1/2 x 24
ALASKA Gnome 40 Rice 1500 2500 40000 70 Pound Reostat
Channing III Rice 25000 5000 85000 100 Pound Reostat
Kast Console III Rice 25000 5000 85000 100 Pound
Kast Console II Rice 25000 5000 85000 75 Pound
Kodiak Pea / Nut 3000 15000 100000 35 Pound
- wsherrick
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- Joined: Wed. Jun. 18, 2008 6:04 am
- Location: High In The Poconos
- Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glenwood Base Heater, Crawford Base Heater
- Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford Base Heater, Glenwood, Stanley Argand
- Coal Size/Type: Chestnut, Stove Size
If you haven't read this, here is a rundown on the performance of my Glenwood No 6 Base Heater. This stove would heat your home for much less coal than most stoves consume. They are among the most efficient stoves ever made. This stove is also super easy to operate and I haven't ever had a stove that is cleaner to operate as well. Click on the link below to read about the Glenwood No 6.
Glenwood Baseheater-Specs, Photos and Performance
Glenwood Baseheater-Specs, Photos and Performance
- wsherrick
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- Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford Base Heater, Glenwood, Stanley Argand
- Coal Size/Type: Chestnut, Stove Size
I would like to add this: Base Burners and Base Heaters were made in many, many different sizes. They made them to fit any situation, from a single room or two to heating a large store or large home.
The Glenwood No 9 I have is a small one with a 10 inch firepot versus the No 6 which has a 16 inch fire pot. They made them up to sizes with fire pots up to 24 inches. These large stoves can hold up to 150 pounds of coal in the fire pot and any base heater with a fire pot of 18 inches or larger can produce a raw heat output that would dwarf what any hand fired stove made today for residental use could do.
The Glenwood No 9 I have is a small one with a 10 inch firepot versus the No 6 which has a 16 inch fire pot. They made them up to sizes with fire pots up to 24 inches. These large stoves can hold up to 150 pounds of coal in the fire pot and any base heater with a fire pot of 18 inches or larger can produce a raw heat output that would dwarf what any hand fired stove made today for residental use could do.
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- Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
- Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Modern Oak 114
- Coal Size/Type: nut and pea
Given your appreciation of the artistic merit of an antique stove I would agree with William that it should be your first choice. I would prefer one with the rocking style of grate such as the Glenwood has. Price would probably be close for a good example to what you would pay for new.
Just giving the Oak series of Glenwoods there due,
A #30 Glenwood Oak with a 16" firepot an indirect back pipe will really crank out some serious "CONTROLLED" heat also...they made a #40 wich is a bit larger.
dont forget these stoves as they are more than comparable to todays modern stoves also.
A #30 Glenwood Oak with a 16" firepot an indirect back pipe will really crank out some serious "CONTROLLED" heat also...they made a #40 wich is a bit larger.
dont forget these stoves as they are more than comparable to todays modern stoves also.
- wsherrick
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- Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glenwood Base Heater, Crawford Base Heater
- Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford Base Heater, Glenwood, Stanley Argand
- Coal Size/Type: Chestnut, Stove Size
The Glenwood Oaks as well as the Glenwood Modern Oaks with the indirect back pipes are super stoves. I'm glad you trusted me when you asked about it before you bought it. All of these Glenwoods have the best grate system. We'll see how the combination grates work on Nortcan's stove, that system is probably very versatile. The prismatic grates with the crank ends under a dust cap can't be topped when it comes to cleanliness and easily cleaning the fire.Tim wrote:Just giving the Oak series of Glenwoods there due,
A #30 Glenwood Oak with a 16" firepot an indirect back pipe will really crank out some serious "CONTROLLED" heat also...they made a #40 wich is a bit larger.
dont forget these stoves as they are more than comparable to todays modern stoves also.
Just new to Antique stoves but with a few days of testings(you can trust me and the others ) on my small one, I realised that these stoves are very easy to use,easy to control. Can run as low as wanted but can heat like a giant stove. I got many wood stoves and the base burner is my second anthracite burning stove with the VC. I never saw a stove like these antique ones. Almost bought one like Tim but the seller jams on the price but anyway, the stove would have been too big for my small living room. So you can be shure on what was said on the posts before this one are real. Good luckwsherrick wrote:The Glenwood Oaks as well as the Glenwood Modern Oaks with the indirect back pipes are super stoves. I'm glad you trusted me when you asked about it before you bought it. All of these Glenwoods have the best grate system. We'll see how the combination grates work on Nortcan's stove, that system is probably very versatile. The prismatic grates with the crank ends under a dust cap can't be topped when it comes to cleanliness and easily cleaning the fire.Tim wrote:Just giving the Oak series of Glenwoods there due,
A #30 Glenwood Oak with a 16" firepot an indirect back pipe will really crank out some serious "CONTROLLED" heat also...they made a #40 wich is a bit larger.
dont forget these stoves as they are more than comparable to todays modern stoves also.
Wops forgot about the grates. I used most of the time the triangular centered ones and jus a little on the right and same on the left and it's done. Used the outer one one time and very efficient too. Im possible to compare to ........
- SteveZee
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I think Williams is right that the bar grates (prismatic) are "cleaner" and because they have 3 sides are durable too. My short experiance with them in my Glenwood has been that I only shake them very little or they'll dump to much into the pan. I use more of a shake against the stop detent built into the faceplate to "vibrate" them and dump the ash. Very clean though.
The Herald on the other hand has drawbar grates and (for me) is much easier to shake down. It is messier though as ash will get on top of the handle and spill out the slot a bit. Plus the Herald burns the coal to a powder. They both have advantages and do their jobs, but the prismatics are Definitely cleaner. Now maybe if I was burning stove coal in the Glenwood, it might be a bit easier?
The Herald on the other hand has drawbar grates and (for me) is much easier to shake down. It is messier though as ash will get on top of the handle and spill out the slot a bit. Plus the Herald burns the coal to a powder. They both have advantages and do their jobs, but the prismatics are Definitely cleaner. Now maybe if I was burning stove coal in the Glenwood, it might be a bit easier?
- dlj
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- Location: Monroe, NY
- Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vermont Castings Resolute
- Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Baseheater #6
- Coal Size/Type: Stove coal
- Other Heating: Oil Furnace, electric space heaters
Take a look at the work Nortcan did on his vigilant. I don't know if you two have the same model or not, but he got his running so well it's scary...Smoker858 wrote:So as I prepare to fireup a converted Vigilant Coal Stove with hopper my wife remembers 20 years ago (how they remember these things is way beyond me) her difficulties with the stove.
Nut is my preferred size coal.
So how would a baseburner (I really like these old beautifel works of art) compare to todays stove considering I will heat a 2,400 sq ft 2 level house, no basement.
The Vigilant wood did a swell job.
Nut works in a lot of stoves, don't know why you want to stick to that size. The old stoves will usually burn it fine. I happen to think they do better with stove but that's just me...
New or old - it's really up to you. They make some darned good new ones. That said, I really like my old Glenwood. It works perfectly well to heat my house. I have a one story ranch, about the same square footage as you. (I figured out how many sq. ft. once but can never remember). One thing about the old stoves - they really circulate the air without a fan. I think they may approach the modern ones with a fan as far as heat circulation.
One thing I really like is that they are silent. No fans, no motors just a bunch of coal burning. I noticed how much I like the silence from it last winter when I came home after being gone a long time and my coal stove was just about dead. It was real cold out, so as I was reviving the coal stove I turned on my oil burner. I couldn't believe how much I noticed the sound of the burner and then the fan when it kicked on.
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- smithy
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You know I haven't burned coal yet as I am a seasoned pellet burner and don't get me wrong the multi fuel served well but the silence of the coal sounds .....beautiful I don't think I will miss the sound of two fans and a auger motor and a agitator motor and controls lamps and swishes and and .... do things really have to be this complicated?
- SteveZee
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BINGO!smithy wrote:You know I haven't burned coal yet as I am a seasoned pellet burner and don't get me wrong the multi fuel served well but the silence of the coal sounds .....beautiful I don't think I will miss the sound of two fans and a auger motor and a agitator motor and controls lamps and swishes and and .... do things really have to be this complicated?