Imperial Ringgold

Imperial Ringgold

PostBy: echos67 On: Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:32 pm

I may get divorced before I get married but I found an Imperial Ringgold for sale and would like some opinions please.

I have not spoken to the seller yet but he sent me these pictures along with his cell number, I tentatively have it on hold, he is going to get me the measurements of the firepot .

From what I can tell it looks like it has had very little use, it seems to have the shaker handle and the handle for the rear top plate, seems to have a magazine, looks like a double burner (I think thats what you call it), I think it looks like a baseburner but being new at this I may be wrong, I am wondering if it has been restored because alot of the hardware is shiny, the nickle looks well kept and original, all the hinges appear to have intricate hinge pins, same style grates as Nortcans.

I dont see the wings like Nortcans, looks like the side skirts are missing, I have to make sure both damers are there for the direct - indirect exhaust as shown in one of the pictures with on side closed and the other open, I counted 68 windows.

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Stove/Furnace Make: Glenwood No. 6.

Re: Imperial Ringgold

PostBy: echos67 On: Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:35 pm

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Keith
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Stove/Furnace Make: Glenwood No. 6.

Re: Imperial Ringgold

PostBy: Rob R. On: Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:03 pm

It looks like a beauty. Depending on the asking price, it may be an excellent choice. What are you planning to heat with this monster?
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Re: Imperial Ringgold

PostBy: SteveZee On: Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:26 pm

Ha,ha,ha....Someone's catching the bug! It is just like Pierre's Golden Bride and Smithy's Home stove works heaters. Looks to be in pretty good shape to the eye but I can see that the firepot is unlined. Course that's no big deal but ask if the owner has used it recently as a heater or was it just a decoration? Looks to be about the same size as Smithy's stove but yep get the diameter of the pot. Also I see that the door pins are not original (I don't think). Check that everything fits tight but of course it's the bottom ash and primary that you want to fit tightest for best control. It's a radiant baseheater and it's been used as a heater sometime in it's life as that red on the firepot is a sign. The more recently the better because it might not need sealing.
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Re: Imperial Ringgold

PostBy: echos67 On: Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:36 pm

markviii wrote:It looks like a beauty. Depending on the asking price, it may be an excellent choice. What are you planning to heat with this monster?


Hello Rob, We have a 2500 sq ft two story house not counting the finished attic and basement we dont use for living space, it was built in 1929, new windows 2 years ago, and unsure of insulation in the walls behind the plaster. If the stove checks out and I am able to work out a deal I hope to heat most if not all of the house with it.
Keith
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Stove/Furnace Make: Glenwood No. 6.

Re: Imperial Ringgold

PostBy: echos67 On: Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:03 pm

SteveZee wrote:Ha,ha,ha....Someone's catching the bug! It is just like Pierre's Golden Bride and Smithy's Home stove works heaters. Looks to be in pretty good shape to the eye but I can see that the firepot is unlined. Course that's no big deal but ask if the owner has used it recently as a heater or was it just a decoration? Looks to be about the same size as Smithy's stove but yep get the diameter of the pot. Also I see that the door pins are not original (I don't think). Check that everything fits tight but of course it's the bottom ash and primary that you want to fit tightest for best control. It's a radiant baseheater and it's been used as a heater sometime in it's life as that red on the firepot is a sign. The more recently the better because it might not need sealing.


Steve would you be my sponsor at the stove meetings if this bug continues ?

I got ahold of the owner he deals in antiques and bought it at an auction and never used it, I imagine he is trying to sell it now with heating season approaching so he can make a few bucks. He is asking $1200 cash for it, I dont mind him making a few bucks and that doesnt seem unreasonable to me so far, but that is just by looking at the pictures. I will go look at it and leave the emotions at home before purchasing. He did confirm he would hold it for me.

I would disassemble the entire thing and redo it from the ground up just so I know it is completely sealed, and be able to familiarize myself with the entire stove and its workings. I did just pick up some refractory cement Sunday. I dont expect I would actually put it into use until next year as I hate to have more than a couple projects going at once.

What do you mean by the red on the firepot is used as a heater ?
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Stove/Furnace Make: Glenwood No. 6.

Re: Imperial Ringgold

PostBy: wsherrick On: Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:27 pm

You need to look this stove over closely before you agree to buy it. The price is okay if the stove is complete and nothing is warped or broken. It is missing it's footrests and the side wings. These parts may be very hard to find. If you want a stove that can be functional then you might want to settle for it. The stove was heavily used by the red/orange color on the firepot. The fire pot is also warped and doesn't fit flush around the top. Fire pots are a wear item and you can have a new one cast, but' that is still money out of your pocket. This is a large stove and it will easily heat your house. The mica base burners are equally efficient as base heaters, but; they require a lot more maintainence. For that price, plus a few more dollars you can get a high quality base heater from Emery at Antique Stove Hospital and you will know that the stove won't have any unpleasent surprises. If you have your heart set on a mica base burner, wait until you have one that is complete. I have seen them for sale on craigs list for less. I'm not saying this won't be a really good stove and if you don't mind the missing pieces go ahead and look at it. Just remember that the man is selling it to get rid of it and he will tell anything you want to hear. Look it over carefully.
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Re: Imperial Ringgold

PostBy: echos67 On: Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:13 pm

wsherrick wrote:You need to look this stove over closely before you agree to buy it. The price is okay if the stove is complete and nothing is warped or broken. It is missing it's footrests and the side wings. These parts may be very hard to find. If you want a stove that can be functional then you might want to settle for it. The stove was heavily used by the red/orange color on the firepot. The fire pot is also warped and doesn't fit flush around the top. Fire pots are a wear item and you can have a new one cast, but' that is still money out of your pocket. This is a large stove and it will easily heat your house. The mica base burners are equally efficient as base heaters, but; they require a lot more maintainence. For that price, plus a few more dollars you can get a high quality base heater from Emery at Antique Stove Hospital and you will know that the stove won't have any unpleasent surprises. If you have your heart set on a mica base burner, wait until you have one that is complete. I have seen them for sale on craigs list for less. I'm not saying this won't be a really good stove and if you don't mind the missing pieces go ahead and look at it. Just remember that the man is selling it to get rid of it and he will tell anything you want to hear. Look it over carefully.


Thanks for the heads up Will, emotions will be left behind when I go look at the stove. I am really only out time and some gas $ to go look at it and I can gain the knowledge of what to look for at others if this one isnt right.

I am putting my notes together now to use when I look at it, I will try and use the items you pointed out as negotiating leverage to get a lower price if everything else is satisfactory. Anything else you can think of ?

I agree with Steve, after looking again at the hinges I dont think they are original, looks like they have bolt heads.

What is involved when you say alot more maintenance is required ?

My head is completely wraped around the mica baseheaters, to me they just have a classy look, and that is by no means saying the Glenwoods and others such as yours are not beautiful stoves, I really like them all. It is like the difference between a Harley Dyna and a Softail, the dyna is not a bad looking bike, in actuallity I think it was Harley's top selling bike for years, but I will not part with my Softail ! If I had a Dyna instead I would be wishing I had a Softail everytime I saw one.
Keith
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Stove/Furnace Make: Glenwood No. 6.

Re: Imperial Ringgold

PostBy: SteveZee On: Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:15 am

Keith,

By more maintenance, I will assume that Will means all those mica's. Keeping them sealed , clean and the like. As I already said, the top of the stove is not "as" important as the bottom for fire control, but none the less you'll want them relatively tight. The other issue is the missing trim parts. They will be tough to come by but, again, are not a detriment to burning the stove, it's more just an aesthetics deal. The price is fair but only if he's got all the parts. Check that firepot for the warping as Will mentioned too. I did notice the space between the bottom of the teeth and the grates seems excessive, as if it's not sitting down low enough in its spot. It could just be the picture or angle of it though? (6th pix down)
Check out Smithy's or Pierre's for reference. I know you love that style and the decision is all your's but at that price point, you might consider Meatball's Oakland baseburner? That's a really handsome unit. If I had a money right now, you might be sponsoring me! 8-)
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Re: Imperial Ringgold

PostBy: nortcan On: Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:30 am

Nice set of photos Keith.
Like already said the side wings and foot rests are missing. Not an obligation for the burning rate but an obligation if you want the real antique value of the stove. So it can become a powerful item for negociations, you see what I mean.
I dont see any air control and the ash pit door seems not the original (but I'm not sure) cause it's supposed to have the air damper in it and it's... nickled??? The fire pot can be set on the base by placing a soft rope gasket under the outside lip or a high temp. silicone bed under the lip can also do the sealing job. The fire pot can be easily relined with castable HT cement.
The center grates are not exactly like in the GB, mine are triangular and the one on the pics are "dumping ones", may work good but I dont know. Be cautious about what Steve said about the lower parts of the stove to be air tight. From the bottom to the 3 doors around the fire pots' level. All these doors, micas joints must be as air tight as possible. An ex. are the foot rests hanging holes on the ash pit sides. These holes may be free of seal and directly in the fire pit... Above the fire pot level air tight is not so important and I tell you that cause I'm making testings on that.
Take your time and good luck
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Re: Imperial Ringgold

PostBy: SteveZee On: Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:55 pm

Good eye Pierre! I missed that ashpit door! Where the heck is the primary air controls? :?
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glenwood Modern Oak 116 & Glenwood 208 C Range

Re: Imperial Ringgold

PostBy: Rob R. On: Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:58 pm

SteveZee wrote:I know you love that style and the decision is all your's but at that price point, you might consider Meatball's Oakland baseburner? That's a really handsome unit.


Excellent idea. OAKLAND STOVE
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Re: Imperial Ringgold

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:15 pm

Someone may have refurbished it without consideration of function as a heater...
Just made it look good for display...
Hence the lack of air controls under the firepot...
Might also explain the grate with the large gap at the ring...
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Re: Imperial Ringgold

PostBy: echos67 On: Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:28 pm

You guys are great, thanks to each and everyone of you.

I think I will pass on this stove for all the reasons pointed out, just too much going in the wrong direction and like Will originally said, I could get alot more stove for the same money.

I have plenty of time before next winter, so that means you all have to put up with me awhile longer lol. I will continue the search in mid November.

Honest Thanks To All
Keith
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Stove/Furnace Make: Glenwood No. 6.

Re: Imperial Ringgold

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Mon May 20, 2013 11:55 am

just to update and for a FYI the lower ashpit, front door does indeed have a primary air control. it is behind that nickled faux cover that is indeed original and is controlled with a lever on its bottom. Like the tickle-ing of a Amal carb on an ole triumph bonneville, you have to know it to love it... 8-)

this info is a day late and year or two or more short...
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