The Tractor thread...

ken · By: **ken** On: Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:52 am

better days. use to love playing with her. oh the power.

rychw · By: **rychw** On: Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:28 am

I have two Cub Cadets. A hydrostatic 127 from 1969 with a 42" deck and a 104 from 1968 with a 42" deck. The 104 has calcium filled dual tires (each tire weights @ 50 lbs) with chains used year round. I have 3 acres of hills to mow and the 104 will never roll over. I have to hold onto the rear fender to stay on the edge of the seat while mowing. I'm the second owner on both mowers and I acquired them when I bought my old house 15 years ago. They both have original Kohler engines; the 104 has never been rebuilt, the 127 had it's head replaced this year because I cracked it sucking up leaves last fall. I have a snow plow for the 104 and I use it to clear off a private road shared by 5 homes. All parts are still available from the Cadet dealer or ebay!

chemung · By: **chemung** On: Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:10 pm

My 1986 FORD 1220 2wd Hydro, 3 cylinder Diesel. Mid and rear pto, optional hydraulics in front. Besides the snow plow and chains it came with a 48" FORD 914 Mid Mount Mower, 5' back blade, 3pt scoop, 12v 20 gal sprayer on wheels and a 3pt platform for carrying stuff. This photo is the sales photo. Runs great and does all I need to do. :up:

The garage in the background is a fire company on the west side (mainline) of Philadelphia. That's where it was stored when I bought it.

Wood'nCoal · By: **Wood'nCoal** On: Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:18 am

My 9N (AKA "The Coal Mover") was delivered this morning.

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Wood'nCoal · By: **Wood'nCoal** On: Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:42 pm

I discovered today that the 9N has an 8 volt battery in it, instead of a 6 volt. It has 4 caps. Last time I checked 2 volts each cell X 4=8 volts (plus the label says 8 volts). I have never seen an 8 volt battery before. What's the deal?

LsFarm · By: **LsFarm** On: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:53 pm

I think you can still get them, it was a 'make-do' for systems that just wouldn't crank fast enough with a 6 volt battery.. with the old mechanical voltage regulators you could 'tweak' the voltage output up to keep the 8v battery charged...

That battery is another unusual oddity to add to your collection !!

Is the bucket a trip bucket or is that a central hydralic cylinder I see??? Is it up and down pressure, or is it gravity down??

Greg.

Wood'nCoal · By: **Wood'nCoal** On: Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:10 pm

Is the bucket a trip bucket or is that a central hydralic cylinder I see??? Is it up and down pressure, or is it gravity down??

It has a cylinder mounted in the center for the bucket, what's a "trip bucket"? It seems to be pressure up and down on the bucket, gravity down on the lift. Don't know the make of the loader yet, the ID plate is painted over. Some of the pipes that make up the frame are actually used as the oil tank.

I found a forum for the N tractors, one response there said the 8 volt battery was also used when the engine's compression was low to get them to start easier.

Funny, all the time I was messing around with cars that had 6 volt systems--I never saw an 8 volt battery.

coalmeister · By: **coalmeister** On: Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:20 pm

Wood'nCoal wrote:I discovered today that the 9N has an 8 volt battery in it, instead of a 6 volt. It has 4 caps. Last time I checked 2 volts each cell X 4=8 volts (plus the label says 8 volts). I have never seen an 8 volt battery before. What's the deal?

I owned a Ford Golden Jubilee that was 6 volts and would rarely start in cold weather so I always jumped it with a 12 volt battery (direct to the starter of course) Had it for almost 20 years and sold it for the same price as I bought it for!

Bought a 2003 Deere 4310 with a loader a couple years ago and absolutely love it. (Although I might be a bit bias as my biz made some of the parts on it) How the heck do they make a diesel engine that starts instantly at 10 degrees?? The tractor is bullet proof, always works perfectly. Bet it's going to load coal very nicely this winter.

LsFarm · By: **LsFarm** On: Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:59 pm

A 'trip bucket' has a pull cable or linkage that pulls a latch.. The latch keeps the bucket in the 'up' position, once you have the bucket where you want it, you pull the latch free and the bucket dumps the load.. you have to set the bucket on the ground or be quick as it swings back up after dumping to re-latch the bucket in the 'up' position..

A hydraulicly controled bucket is obviously much better.. A gravity down on the loader arms is common, but downpressure is a nice feature to have at times..

In the really big engine 6 volt cars, like my '33 Pierce, it is an inline 8 cylinder of 366 cu.in. an 8v battery was common to overcome other cranking issues.. The 12cylinder engine, 472 cu.in. was even worse.. but when all the grounds were good, and the engine was in tune,, and good gasoline available,, they start very easily with slow cranking speeds.

Greg L.

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Sting · By: **Sting** On: Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:10 pm

Optima makes a 6 volt battery that will start your old Ford as fast as the 8, Its twice the price - and it last three times longer.

I am on my second in 20 years of running my 861 with the stock 6 volt system.

Wood'nCoal · By: **Wood'nCoal** On: Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:07 am

I know that the 6 volt systems had starting issues in the cold weather, many N series have been converted to 12 volts. I had a '53 Chevy that wouldn't start when it got really cold, fortunately it was a manual transmission, once I had to get it rolling down a hill and got it started.

Thanks for the trip bucket explanation, Greg. I'll double check the gravity down question on the loader just to make sure.

Steve.N · By: **Steve.N** On: Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:01 pm

8 volt batteries are a common fix for that tractor that is balky starting on 6 volts. My Cat dozer has an 8 volt battery on the pony motor, 6 volts just don't swing it fast enough being almost 60 years old. The beauty of using an 8 volt battery is that you can turn up a 6 volt charging system to charge them with no modifications.

Wood'nCoal · By: **Wood'nCoal** On: Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:08 pm

Since I can't read the serial # on the engine block and I found a tag on the block which is actually a spec plate from an engine rebuilder I have been using info from the N Tractor Forum to try to date the tractor. Looks like it's a 2N made between 1944 and 1947. The engineers slowed down on changes during those years, they were busy designing the 8N. I may never know the exact year it was made, next is to get the casting codes off of the rear axle housings. Many of the N series tractors have been repaired with used parts over the years, it gets hard to tell exactly when one was built.

Highlander · By: **Highlander** On: Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:40 pm

I must say I feel a little inadequate given all the large machinery I see here. My "tractor" is a Gravely, PM100 zero turn that I rebuilt last summer. I always thought the idea of a zero turn was appealing so when I found this old machine on CL, I decided to go for it. New tires, belts and a lot of work made it respectable again. The engine is not original, its now a Kohler Command 22, used to be a Kohler Magnum 18, the previous owner had replaced it when the air cleaner was left off and water got into the engine. New cylinder head gaskets, last month and its running strong again. KInd of wish the old magnum was still there.

It works well for me, adjusting the deck height is a chore, so I leave it set and don't mess with that. I added a set of Gator blades that work well mulching the clippings, all in all its cut my mowing time in half over the old Sears tractor.

Wood'nCoal · By: **Wood'nCoal** On: Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:53 pm

I could see how a zero-turn is a lot faster then a tractor. It takes a lot longer on my JD to cut the grass because of the turning required. I suppose I could cut the grass really fast with the 2N and a finishing deck...but there would be casualties from the loader bucket (trees, the side of the house, cars, whatever else was in the way...).

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