Hot water coil questions

Hot water coil questions

PostBy: claridon coal burner On: Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:03 pm

I have a hilkoil coil in my keystoker koker but am not happy with it's operation so far. The issue seems to be: The circ. pump on the HW coil runs constantly. When hot water is turned on in the house, well water flows into the bottom of the tank and also into the supply line for the coil. The cool water does not pick up much heat from the coil and gets dumped into the top of the hot water tank which in essence cools my hot water. I can get the system to work OK by turning up the setting on my hot water tank but that seems counter-productive. I figure I could install an aquastat to leave the pump off until the coil return temp reaches ~125 or so but it seems that the aquastat would cycle quite a bit. Does anyone know of a control valve that could be used for this purpose? Something that could be installed inline and open when water temp. makes 125?

Charlie
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Keystoker Koker
Coal Size/Type: rice
Other Heating: oil

Re: Hot water coil questions

PostBy: WNY On: Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:45 am

Do you have your coil hooked into your drain and PRV valves of your hot water tank?

They will circulate a lot so the water doesn't boil in the stove, you can't leave the water sit in the coil too long. An aquastat might help a bit. maybe close down a valve some to slow the circulation down a bit.

Its not going to give you instant hot water, its made to help keep your tank warmer when not being used.
THey may temperature control valves.
WNY
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker 90K, Leisure Line Hyfire I
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker, LL & CoalTrol
Stove/Furnace Model: 90K, Hyfire I, VF3000 Soon

Re: Hot water coil questions

PostBy: claridon coal burner On: Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:40 pm

Part of the problem is that I have an old oil fired hot water tank. There is no dip tube for the cold water supply. There are a total of 4 nozzles on the tank, two near the top and two near the bottom. The bottom ones are for 1) cold water in and 2) the drain and supply to the hilkoil. The ones at the top are 1) hot water out and 2) return from the hilkoil. I'm thinking about putting an orifice to restrict flow on the discharge of the pump. Anybody ever try that?

I've tried throttling the valve on the discharge side of the coil but still get enough flow to cool the hot water.

Charlie
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Keystoker Koker
Coal Size/Type: rice
Other Heating: oil


Re: Hot water coil questions

PostBy: McGiever On: Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:12 am

You can add a dip tube into the *nozzle* on top from the hikoil...measure and cut it to end about 3/4 the way down into tank.

I have done it on mine and it solves the problem of cooling the upper portion of the tank. Don't be concerned with adding hot water 3/4 the way down in the tank...the water will stratify and make it's way up the hotter it gets and not be disturbing all the already hot water up top. :)

Hopefully you have a union there and don't have to cut your way in. :shock: All the *Big Box* stores carry dip tubes.
McGiever
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: HARMAN MAGNUM
Hand Fed Coal Stove: RADIANT HOME AIR BLAST
Baseburners & Antiques: OUR GLENWOOD 111 BASEBURNER "1908"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE, NUT-STOVE / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek

Re: Hot water coil questions

PostBy: claridon coal burner On: Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:13 pm

Can't really add a dip tube from the top. All the nozzles on my hot water tank come out the side. two near the top and two near the bottom.

Charlie
claridon coal burner
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Keystoker Koker
Coal Size/Type: rice
Other Heating: oil

Re: Hot water coil questions

PostBy: McGiever On: Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:30 pm

Depending on how bad you want this... you could try sliding in a piece of soft copper, bowing it ever so slightly as it goes in the *nozzle*. As what the factory dip tube is held fast by...you would need to flare the end that sits in the *nozzle*. When I did it w/ homemade parts...I flared a piece of CPVC plastic pipe for my dip tube. :)
McGiever
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: HARMAN MAGNUM
Hand Fed Coal Stove: RADIANT HOME AIR BLAST
Baseburners & Antiques: OUR GLENWOOD 111 BASEBURNER "1908"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE, NUT-STOVE / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek

Re: Hot water coil questions

PostBy: claridon coal burner On: Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:25 pm

Found something out last night. Pulled the check valve out of my pump and the water started circulating by convection. I think I'm going to just eliminate the pump.

Charlie
claridon coal burner
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Keystoker Koker
Coal Size/Type: rice
Other Heating: oil

Re: Hot water coil questions

PostBy: claridon coal burner On: Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:14 am

There is a lot more to hot water coils than meets the eye. As stated in my last message, removed the check valve and coil seems to work well by convection, but when furnace is calling for heat the outlet temp on the coil gets pretty high- almost 200F. Is this typical? do I need to install an aquastat to move the water when temp gets up in that range?

Charlie
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Keystoker Koker
Coal Size/Type: rice
Other Heating: oil

Re: Hot water coil questions

PostBy: claridon coal burner On: Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:38 pm

Think I got it figured out. Installed a honeywell aquastat on the outlet pipe on the furnace. On at 130 off at 120. Works great. Fuel oil bill for Jan. and Feb. was only ~$120 (hot water only)
claridon coal burner
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Keystoker Koker
Coal Size/Type: rice
Other Heating: oil