Saey Hanover I not staying lit.

Saey Hanover I not staying lit.

PostBy: BethAnnPlank On: Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:43 pm

We recently purchased this stove and it has been a pain ever since. I am used to keystoker stoves, so this one has be baffled. We can get a good, hot fire going it for about a day, maybe two at the most. All of the sudden, it will have this beautiful fire, then poof, goes out. I am not familiar with the Baro damper that is installed. I have heard that there is quite a learning curve on these stoves. Someone, please help! This thing is about ready to go on Craigslist!
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Stove/Furnace Make: Saey
Stove/Furnace Model: Hanover I

Re: Saey Hanover I not staying lit.

PostBy: Rob R. On: Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:11 pm

It sounds like you aren't loading enough coal in the stove to sustain a fire, and/or the draft is too weak. Make sure you are filling the firebox with coal, and get a manometer to adjust the draft properly. A cheap and easy experiment is to cover the baro with aluminum foil and see if that makes a difference.

Please describe your stovepipe and chimney setup, and tell us what size coal you are using.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
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Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Saey Hanover I not staying lit.

PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:40 pm

Some pix of the set up always helps when trying to give suggestions. ;)
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Coal Size/Type: BLASCHAK Nut/Stove mix

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Re: Saey Hanover I not staying lit.

PostBy: BethAnnPlank On: Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:53 pm

Ok. I will take some pictures tonight as I am at work right now. The Baro was on an existing wood stove and honestly, I know nothing about them. I was told I needed one with this stove so it was perfect that it was already there. I know that pea coal is recommended for this stove, but I was also told that I could use nut coal. We started out with the pea coal, and we couldn't keep a fire for more than 8 hours. After some less than stellar nut coal, we did find a good one. I agree that enough coal isn't gettin put on the fire. I am hesitent to add more since the fire looks nice, but there is absolutely no heat coming off from it. I am afraid of smothering it. I understand that from other posts, the Baro damper should flap slightly? Mine does not move at all. So, I should cover the damper with aluminum foil and see if it burns better or if what changes? I am sorry, I am not used to this set up whatsoever. It seems like we have a tremendous amount of ash within the coal. We have tried to shake it down more/faster to no avail. Maybe we are messing with it too much. The dealer that I purchased it from said that he had one running for some time with the nut coal, so I figured it was a win-win...everyone else I talk with says to switch back to the pea coal....Any further ideas before I can get some pictures?
BethAnnPlank
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Saey
Stove/Furnace Model: Hanover I

Re: Saey Hanover I not staying lit.

PostBy: Rob R. On: Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:34 pm

BethAnnPlank wrote:I agree that enough coal isn't gettin put on the fire. I am hesitent to add more since the fire looks nice, but there is absolutely no heat coming off from it. I am afraid of smothering it.


You won't smother it. An anthracite coal fire needs be least 6 inches deep to sustain itself, and 8 or 12 inches is better yet. Too shallow of a coal bed will result in a fire that is tough to control, and one that won't stay burning.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Saey Hanover I not staying lit.

PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:28 pm

Go to upper rgt. (search) type your stove in & hit search, quite a bit of stuff there-- my reading is showing pea coal is best for your stove--you have a bimetallic flap thermostat in the back---is it working OK?? yep, pix will help a lot---one thing was the importance of proper install????
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: HITZER 50-93
Coal Size/Type: BLASCHAK Nut/Stove mix

Re: Saey Hanover I not staying lit.

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:24 pm

The fact that you get a good fire for a day or two, then poof, leads me to strongly suspect you are not getting enough ash out. You should see a glow in the ash pan after shaking.

Lets see a picture of the grate. Not sure but I think you also have the option to use a slicing poker above the grate? If so that is the way to go to do a good job on the ash removal.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
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Re: Saey Hanover I not staying lit.

PostBy: Muss44 On: Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:24 pm

I have been running this stove since the middle of last winter, my father in law has ran this stove for years. We both are using nut coal and it runs fine. Do you have a manual damper?

I shake mine once a day on warmer days, twice on colder days. I do knife it one every few days. I agree with the previous posts that you need to shake it until you see red coals. It does require a lot of shaking.

You should be using the hopper, so there should always be fresh coal falling down on the fire. Once I started my stove last winter it stayed lit all winter. I started this stove in the middle of October and it is still going with its first match this year. Once you get this problem figured out it will stay lit from the beginning of winter to the beginning of spring. Do not get rid of this stove yet.
Muss44
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Hitzer
Stove/Furnace Model: 82-fa

Re: Saey Hanover I not staying lit.

PostBy: JaneBurns On: Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:33 pm

I have a chance to buy a good, used Hanover 1. Does it also burn wood?
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Re: Saey Hanover I not staying lit.

PostBy: tsb On: Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:10 pm

Any stove will burn wood, just not very well.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Binford 2000
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: LL Pioneer top vent
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Saey Hanover II

Re: Saey Hanover I not staying lit.

PostBy: Lightning On: Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:46 pm

I'm with Franco on the ash removal, gotta shake it till you see orange embers falling thru and you have a nice glow radiating downward thru the grates. Also you mentioned the baro isn't moving. Its either not set right or you aren't drafting enough. I would suggest you get a manometer to check draft pressure :D
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Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Stove Size Mix

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PostBy: tmckenzie On: Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:30 am

I have the saey 92 which is not much different than what you have I think. I had the same trouble. I think it is the grates need to be redesigned. You can shake hell out of it and not get enough ash out. I had the same trouble. So evry 2 days or if the fire looks unhealthy, mine has 3 places to stick something into the grates to get ash out. I have an old saw I use, just stick it inand kind of sweep it over the grates, ash will fall out everywhere. One trick I found is, get some fresh coal on it and going before you do it, or it will go out. When you get though knifing it, shake it a little and empty the pan. Then fill it up. I fill mine to the top of the fire box, then bank it all the way to half way of the stove, so the coal is kind of like a triangle in the stove.
tmckenzie
 
Stove/Furnace Make: saey
Stove/Furnace Model: 92

Re: Saey Hanover I not staying lit.

PostBy: Lightning On: Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:50 am

Oh yeah, the ash issue... I had the same trouble when I started. Good fire for a few days, then I just couldn't get much heat and it was suffocating. So, I dunno if your grates look like mine but heres what I did. I made a tool I like to call the slicer. I simply bent up a piece of metal angle brace material. I stick it in thru the ash pan door and go up thru the bottom side of the grates between the grate and the frame. I'll pull and push it back and forth after the shake down. It clears the way for air to come up thru even better. I also have a 1/4 steel rod bent into a 90 degree angle to go up thru the holes in the center of the grates.
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Re: Saey Hanover I not staying lit.

PostBy: tmckenzie On: Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:46 am

did you get it figured out?
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