"Temporary Chimney" Questions

"Temporary Chimney" Questions

PostBy: Kungur On: Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:26 pm

Here is the deal. I would like to put a hand feed coal stove in my shop and vent it into a masonary chimney. Problem-I don't have the chimney yet! So here is what was thinking and wanted to get some advice from your guys.
I was thinking of taking out a window sash and making up a wall section to take it's place. Then I would get a wall thimble and vent the out and up to an appropiate height. I would just use regular black vet pipe to get me through this season.
Thoughts??
Also I have a KA-2 in the house and I notice that the temp on the flue pipe is about 125F @ about 18" from the boiler. Would a hand fed stove be hotter or about the same.
Thanks,
Tom
Kungur
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: K-2

Re: "Temporary Chimney" Questions

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:14 pm

Kungur, Hand FIRED--FIRED I say :lol: Your plan will work fine my friend & yes black pipe will do the job nicely. ;) Are you going to put in a MPD?? Over hot pipe should not be a problem I can put my hand on the pipe of my Hitzer above the MPD( 3' up from stove body), all winter. What make stove ya lookin at?? I'd advise putting a cap on top, and yes, I know you knew that. :)
freetown fred
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: HITZER 50-93
Coal Size/Type: BLASCHAK Nut/Stove mix

Re: "Temporary Chimney" Questions

PostBy: Kungur On: Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:01 pm

I'm looking at a Jotul or an older Warm Morning. Both are more tall and would not tak up much floor space.
Kungur
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: K-2


Re: "Temporary Chimney" Questions

PostBy: Berlin On: Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:04 pm

you could use a wall thimble or just take out the window and use a sheet of 30gauge sheet steel (16" all around min.) to fill the hole. Cheaper, faster, and easier than the thimble and just as safe. That pipe could be 400º and the thin sheet metal 10" away will be cool to the touch.
Berlin
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Will-Burt Combustioneer 77B
Coal Size/Type: Ohio BITUMINOUS pea stoker coal

Re: "Temporary Chimney" Questions

PostBy: steamup On: Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:02 pm

Follow the following rules for your installation - same rules for wood or coal-

http://www.msue.msu.edu/objects/content ... 0596.html/
steamup
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman-Anderson AA-130, Keystoker K-6
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: HS Tarm 502 Wood/Coal/Oil
Coal Size/Type: pea, buck, rice

Re: "Temporary Chimney" Questions

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:53 pm

I would do as Berlin suggests. You will have to devise support brackets though. Also use galvanized pipe which is cheaper and more durable as well as easier to work.
franco b
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Modern Oak 114
Coal Size/Type: nut and pea

Re: "Temporary Chimney" Questions

PostBy: Kungur On: Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:04 am

I woke up last night think"I am going to need some type of support"!
Also i will have to devise a "stand-off" to keep the flue pipe away from the barn siding and yet support it from the prevailing winds.
Kungur
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: K-2

Re: "Temporary Chimney" Questions

PostBy: Bity454 On: Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:53 am

I tried the black pipe outside would not keep a draft in cold weather due to pipe getting to cold. Must use the triple wall outside or you will have nothing but problems!
Bity454
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Alaska 140 dual paddle
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisureline pioneer
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Good looking wife : )

Re: "Temporary Chimney" Questions

PostBy: Stephen in Soky On: Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:09 am

Can you find a long piece of 6 inch or larger well casing? By long I mean from the ground to well above the eaves?
Stephen in Soky
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Warm Morning
Stove/Furnace Model: 500

Re: "Temporary Chimney" Questions

PostBy: Berlin On: Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:14 am

I haven't had a problem with draft on single wall pipe used as described, but if it becomes an issue, wrap it with fiberglass insulation unfaced. it will look like *censored*, but it will be cheap and get the job done; if it gets wet it will boil out the water pretty quickly.
Berlin
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Will-Burt Combustioneer 77B
Coal Size/Type: Ohio BITUMINOUS pea stoker coal

Re: "Temporary Chimney" Questions

PostBy: ceccil On: Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:25 pm

Berlin wrote:you could use a wall thimble or just take out the window and use a sheet of 30gauge sheet steel (16" all around min.) to fill the hole.


When I had the Direct Vent hooked up I did essentially the same thing, except I used a piece of Durarock that I had laying around instead of sheet metal.
ceccil
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker, Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: 90K, Mark III

Re: "Temporary Chimney" Questions

PostBy: Lightning On: Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:26 pm

I'm using 26 feet of single wall black pipe for a chimney until I can put up double wall chimney. No drafting issues so far. Seems that the colder it gets outside, the better the draft is. I'm not sure how the pipe getting cold influences anything. Been down to 23 degrees a couple nights. I suppose at some point though there has to be some influence from the pipe getting cold. Maybe when trying to choke down the fire for an extremely slow burn. So far I'm very pleased with the single wall. We will see how it goes thru the winter.
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Stove Size Mix