Evolution Or Creation

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Re: Evolution Or Creation

PostBy: rberq On: Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:11 pm

tex2731 wrote:Our coal came from:
A. A process involving heat, vegetation, pressure, a process taking place over millions of years ...
B. Jesus pinched it out from between his cheeks ...

I'll say B. But then, I'm from Kansas where the average citizen has not evolved as far from the monkeys as the rest of the country.
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Re: Evolution Or Creation

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:18 pm

I used to think that if man did evolve from apes then why isn't there anything in between, now having given it more thought it seems at times that at least some are already on their way back.
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Re: Evolution Or Creation

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:43 pm

samhill wrote:I used to think that if man did evolve from apes then why isn't there anything in between, now having given it more thought it seems at times that at least some are already on their way back.

No evolutionist has ever claimed that man evolved from apes. The claim is that there was a common ancestor. As for transitional types there are a lot of them. The relative rarity is because a mutation needs to work within a small group to fix a trait in much the same way as an animal breeder will inbreed to fix a trait. It's called the theory of punctuated equilibrium.
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Re: Evolution Or Creation

PostBy: ValterBorges On: Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:07 pm

But who or what created the big bang? and what created it?
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Re: Evolution Or Creation

PostBy: ValterBorges On: Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:10 pm

Ever wonder if an ant knows a human exists even if its getting squashed?
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Re: Evolution Or Creation

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:25 pm

ValterBorges wrote:Ever wonder if an ant knows a human exists even if its getting squashed?


Our whole solar system could be one tiny atom in the fingernail of some giant being!!!

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Re: Evolution Or Creation

PostBy: ValterBorges On: Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:39 pm

wow you think he is a scientist? Dam now im wondering if he knows the ants are under his fingernail?
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Re: Evolution Or Creation

PostBy: franco b On: Tue May 29, 2012 2:11 pm

Evolution and creation need not be mutually exclusive. You can have both. The Catholic Church accepts evolution as does many other churches.
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Re: Evolution Or Creation

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Tue May 29, 2012 4:31 pm

Evolution and creation need not be mutually exclusive. You can have both.


I was thinking about that one and scratching my head. Now I have wooden splinters under my nails - damn.
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Re: Evolution Or Creation

PostBy: franco b On: Tue May 29, 2012 5:16 pm

coalnewbie wrote:
Evolution and creation need not be mutually exclusive. You can have both.


I was thinking about that one and scratching my head. Now I have wooden splinters under my nails - damn.

There's your proof.
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Re: Evolution Or Creation

PostBy: SteveZee On: Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:14 pm

franco b wrote:
samhill wrote:I used to think that if man did evolve from apes then why isn't there anything in between, now having given it more thought it seems at times that at least some are already on their way back.

No evolutionist has ever claimed that man evolved from apes. The claim is that there was a common ancestor. As for transitional types there are a lot of them. The relative rarity is because a mutation needs to work within a small group to fix a trait in much the same way as an animal breeder will inbreed to fix a trait. It's called the theory of punctuated equilibrium.


Quite right Richard. We share nearly 99% of the same DNA. The number of mutations that can occur in the 1% are quite large. That said, watch some of the touchdown celebrations and chest beating that goes on in the end zone and you have your answer. ;)
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Re: Evolution Or Creation

PostBy: rberq On: Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:42 pm

Black_And_Blue wrote:Divine Providence cannot be measured.

Of course not. There's too little of it to see.
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Re: Evolution Or Creation

PostBy: Dann757 On: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:00 pm

Sometimes ya just gotta say I don't know. Hardest thing for humans to do is not try to figure everything out. Plenty of other theories besides the big bang. Always something fascinating is proven though. Time is not fixed, it's relative to space, timespace. They synchronize extremely precise atomic clocks and put one on a supersonic jet. Leave the other one on the ground. When the jet lands, it's clock has lagged behind by a nanosecond or less. The closer you get to the speed of light, the slower time goes. All the energy in the entire universe would not be sufficient to accellerate a single grain of sand to the speed of light. It would become infinitely massive.
Some say the universe will eventually dissipate to the point where there are only random photons left. Photons have no mass, you need mass to measure time, therefore time won't exist and another big bang will occur. Other theories are big bang universes are created when parallel membrane universes touch for an instant.

Some theories say that petroleum oil was created when the planet was; oil deposits have been found at greater depths than any vegetation could have ever existed.
There's urban legends of many objects being found embedded in 300,000,000 year old coal. Wood screws, statuettes.
When you glance at the sun, you are not seeing the sun, you're seeing the light that came out of it nine minutes ago.

All I know is, I'm grateful that I have a sense of wonder when I pick up an acorn, and look at the immense oak tree it fell out of, that was once an acorn itself.
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Re: Evolution Or Creation

PostBy: Dann757 On: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:05 pm

rberq wrote:Of course not. There's too little of it to see.


That's sad for you if you have no sense of It. When the very breath in your lungs comes from It. Some say God does not interfere in human affairs. One thing for sure, we're all only here for a visit.
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Re: Evolution Or Creation

PostBy: SteveZee On: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:37 pm

"Other theories are big bang universes are created when parallel membrane universes touch for an instant"

That's probably possible Dann if that other universe is an anti matter. We are all made up of atoms with a positive charged proton and negative electorns. The reverse of that could cause a heck of a big bang if they ever touched.

You right that we are only here for a visit. A relative short one at that but I thank my lucky stars every day for the time period we were born into. If there is karma, we sure must have done something good to have earned this trip. We live in the most prosperous era ever know to our kind and us as individuals in one of the best places on the planet to boot. Ice cores have shown that this temperate period between ice ages are the anomalies and the ice age is actually the norm. We won't see it but there will come an age when it's ice age again and any further growth of our species will be drastically reduced. It maybe have already happened before. This time around our brains were developed enough to really take advantage (between ice ages) and we have thrived. Nothing lasts though. All species will only support what is possible in a given circumstance and then dies off. We are in the Algae bloom of mankind right now. It can't and won't last. I'm only talking short term of course, on our planet. Here eventually the sun will lose mass and expand and probably torch everything on earth long before it burns out and earth is a frozen rock again. Our kind will never get anywhere else either since at the speed of light, there is nothing remotely close to us that we might populate. But maybe since we are all matter and a part of the stars/universe, what with the billions of galaxies out there containing zillions of stars and planets, there is bound to be other situations with the same tree of life that has happened here. One can only take comfort in the fact that somewhere out there life continues on.
That is untill the universe expands beyond the capability of gravity to hold things together. Dark matter, dark energy make up much more of the uni than the matter we can actually see and we are only just now begining to understand how that works. But thats another post. ;)
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