Evolution Or Creation

Moderator's Note:
I split this from another topic, I thought everyone would like to continue the discussion here, in a nice friendly fashion.
Thanks, W'nC.

traderfjp wrote:
District 1 - Coal Mine Safety and Health
History of Anthracite Coal Mining

Time Line
250,000,000 BC to 400,000,000 BC
(but whose counting) Birth of anthracite. Material was deposited that eventually transforms to anthracite coal. This occurred during the Carboniferous Geologic Period. At that time, most of Pennsylvania was a flat, hot, moist plain covered with steaming swamps thick with tall trees and wide spreading ferns.

or it occurred 10 -15 thousand years ago during the flood mentioned in a book called the Bible

[brkwlt wrote: "or it occurred 10 -15 thousand years ago during the flood mentioned in a book called the Bible."]

Nope.
Time to grow up.
Funny thing about science, it's like gravity. It exerts its will upon you and controls you whether you "believe" in it or not.

BTW the bible has the earth at only 4 - 5000 years old. Get your mythology straight.

tex2731 wrote:BTW the bible has the earth at only 4 - 5000 years old. Get your mythology straight.

Welcome to the forum. As an educator I bet we could learn a lot of good stuff from you, but I was kind of shocked at your lack of, or ignorance of the scientific method.

I don't believe the Bible mentions the age of the earth. Your reference was probably derived from
bishop Wilberforce I think, who calculated the age of the earth from the genealogy in the book of Genesis, in, circa 1840.

My Bible goes all the way back to the Beginning.

Does the time or the age really matter when the subject of the work is the salvation of man?

Depends on whose holy book you are using. The Christians, the Jews, the Chinese?

Ask a Mayan and he might tell you the calendar ends next year.

jpete wrote:Depends on whose holy book you are using. The Christians, the Jews, the Chinese?

Ask a Mayan and he might tell you the calendar ends next year.

The Bible was specifically mentioned Which would make it Christian or Jewish.

jpete wrote:Depends on whose holy book you are using. The Christians, the Jews, the Chinese?

Ask a Mayan and he might tell you the calendar ends next year.

But don't they all go back to the beginning? I am pretty sure they do. Every faith that considers creation, goes back to "the beginning", however they might define it.

(It was a little joke, boys)

Do Buddhists go back to the beginning?

Dann757 wrote:So far, in three years here, I've impressed exactly zero people. ........

I look at my coal, when I'm standing in the pile, filling a spackle bucket; and I'm amazed at the concept that it's 300,000,000 years old.

...........

I like the tv shows about the universe and physics, etc. I heard Einstein had a discussion with Neils Bohr where they were talking about how you can't say for sure the moon is still there when you're not looking at it.

Also heard that if you need to proselytize one way or the other, you're not really convinced of your own belief in the first place.

Well I have been here 4 years and you have positively impressed about 6 people more than I have.



Einstein's Theory of Relativity could definitely be tool of the proselytizer. God is in the details of creation. God is in the science of the universe. God is cloaked in the curved spacetime Einstein theorized, observing our linear souls and the moral choices our hearts make. Just as great speed distorts the perception of time and space with a 4th dimension, faith in God adds a challenging dimension to your journey through the good and evil of mankind. Without faith, that dimension is not available to you.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/einstein.html


And BTW none of the celestial bodies are in the positions where one observes them. This is a result of relativity and the inadequate speed of light in the vast distances of space


As for proselytizing, criticism of it speaks to a desire to squelch faith. Now, why would anyone want to insult the Creator or choose evil over good?

jpete wrote:Do Buddhists go back to the beginning?

Like I said, if they consider creation, they do. My point is that Creation and the beginning are the same. Many religions consider creation as a fundamental part of their religion. For people of faith, the creation is fundamental to the religion.



I haven't read any holy book of Buddhists so I couldn't say for sure.

I would title this thread Evolution in Creation or Evolution and Creation since they spring from the same source. God. Define God? Why, since definition is not understanding.

Our Native Americans recognized a Great Spirit which permeated everything.

The Hindu seeks to witness the dance of Shiva, to be aware of that all pervading influence.

The Taoist knows he can see the manifestations of God all about him but to see and understand the mystery he must first lose the desires and inhibitions that prevent this. The Buddhist is similar in his quest for enlightenment.

The Christian is confident of achieving the peace that passes all understanding. Peace that can only be felt spiritually and not understood.

All these imply a spiritual understanding rather than logical, even though logic can be the start.

Wow. A separate thread. I'm honored.

Enough with the fancy language. Here's the deal.

Our coal came from:

A. A process involving heat, vegetation, pressure, a process taking place over millions of years, the evidence for which is overwelming in the real, rational world(sorry fundamentalist bible thumpers) or

B. Jesus pinched it out from between his cheeks...

Take your pick.

Your opinion regarding the answer says more about which end of the gene pool you reside than the actual truth, which, of course, is an absolute.

And yes, such nonsense deserves these strong terms if we're going to move ahead.

History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of man....

GODzilla!




Divine Providence cannot be measured.

How can all these different versions of the beginning be anywhere near fact unless the were written from the beginning? IMO they are merely some man's attempt of explaining "how we got here" to make himself sound superior to others. As far as I know the Hewbrew was the first text & it didn't come along until 500BC.

Black_And_Blue wrote:History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of man....

GODzilla!




Divine Providence cannot be measured.

Good point, seems the Cathlolic church had issues with some Italian artist/engineer guy named Galileo beleiving the earth was NOT the center of the solar system. Didn't that poor guy end up under house arrest? So as you say, nature did indeed point out the folly of the man as it does again and again.