Exotic Beauties

firebug · Post by **firebug** » Mon. Nov. 21, 2011 1:59 pm

nortcan wrote:Very nice Beautie, I understand your white sleeping times.
Do you have the measures at the base?
How much they ask for a stove like this one? Do you get photos from the grates ?
Seems very efficient when burning wood, 86% is more than a lot of new wood stoves.
Salutations du Québec

the base is 48cm x 43cm
they ask €5500 - and I´m asking my better half´s permission to spend money that´s supposed to go into the new kitchen... I guess I don´t need to type the answer I got from that side....

the shop owner was asking me not to take photos of the inside as they have apparently had the problem that competitors came by, took photos of technical details and copied them... so there´s no photo of the inside

the efficiency of every heating device must be measured by the independant Technical Control Board, otherwise you don´t get permission to use it. I think they test for the optimum, but you´re right: it is 12% above the required minimum of 74% thermal efficiency

Salutations de Mayence - j´aimerais bien répondre en francais sans me rendre ridicule, mais j´ai peur que j´ai déjà oublie trop

PS: found a foto of a similar grate on the net -->

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Post by **franco b** » Mon. Nov. 21, 2011 2:16 pm

If there is a partial grate across the front of the door with the mica windows when open, and if it is at grate level, then you might be able with a flat poker to do a better job of clearing the ash.

firebug · Post by **firebug** » Mon. Nov. 21, 2011 2:23 pm

franco b wrote:If there is a partial grate across the front of the door with the mica windows when open, and if it is at grate level, then you might be able with a flat poker to do a better job of clearing the ash.

... like "shovel" the ashes to the centre and then just give it a little shake?
the second door is slightly above the grate and the grate across the front sort of "hangs" in hooks and can be swung inward .... sounds reasonable to me... and with the door slightly above the bottom of the fire box there shouldn´t be too much of a mess either...

nortcan · Post by **nortcan** » Mon. Nov. 21, 2011 2:25 pm

Very good Francais mon ami. I'm shure you'r French is better than my English and also German, but I think that many German words are close to English ones. One good thing on this forum is that nobody comment others' writing. By the way where did you learned French?
3 solutions for you:
You forget the kitchen renovations
You forget the half
You find a Golden Bride
LOL. 5500E is quite a lot of money, but the cost of the life is not exactly like here in N.America. We went a few times to Lille North of France a few years ago and found the life there much more expensive than here except for wine.
What do you mean when saying: no intereior photos from inside the stove because the competition.........does she meant other stores?
You'r right about ash build up, round or square, if you have shelves around the inside,at the base, of the fire pot, it's a problem. But all problems have a solution.

firebug · Post by **firebug** » Mon. Nov. 21, 2011 2:45 pm

[quote="nortcan"]By the way where did you learned French?
English is a compulsory first foreign language in German schools. French and Spanish are compulsory second foreign languages

3 solutions for you:
You forget the kitchen renovations
You forget the half
You find a Golden Bride
check out that shop for Golden Brides: you are about to be surprised, I bet!
http://www.traumofen.de/onlineshop/de_index.php?pos=51

What do you mean when saying: no intereior photos from inside the stove because the competition.........does she meant other stores?
yep, that´s what she indicated.... they seem to be in little private feud with the guy that owns the "Traumofen"-shop

kstills · Post by **kstills** » Mon. Nov. 21, 2011 2:54 pm

Thanks for taking the time to post these pictures.

I'm developing an appreciation for the old stoves (nortcan's was the first that I had seen) and these are just as beautiful.

Maybe one day I'll have myself a small one for the upstairs.

rockwood · Post by **rockwood** » Mon. Nov. 21, 2011 3:03 pm

firebug wrote:The place is stunning. Some 50 stoves on display – I like to refer to it as Stove Heaven, but up to now I feel pretty much alone with my newly found passion – or “addiction” as it´s been labeled in some other thread…

WOW! I would never want to leave! I would spend hours inspecting those stoves and would love every minute of it!

I'm not surprised about the efficiency of these stoves. Back in those days conserving fuel was very important and was mastered with stoves like those. Boring, not very efficient steel box stoves are still the most common here in the USA and have been since the 1970's. Lots of companies started mass producing these "welded together" easy to build square stoves that didn't require much skill or craftsmanship to make and we just can't seem to get away from that design

Efficiency has improved with these "modern" stoves but they're still no match to these old beauties.

firebug wrote:many old stoves were swapped for modern steel products and the old beauties were turned into canons and whatever...

That's too bad.

firebug wrote:I´m asking my better half´s permission to spend money that´s supposed to go into the new kitchen

The kitchen can wait

Post by **franco b** » Mon. Nov. 21, 2011 3:11 pm

firebug wrote:. like "shovel" the ashes to the centre and then just give it a little shake?

No. I meant to slip a flat poker with perhaps an angled end just under the front grate and just above the bottom grate to loosen and encourage the ash resting outside the round shaking grate to go through that round grate. You won't get it all but should at least improve the situation.

A build up of ash around the circular grate will probably result in the fire burning in the center which might even be beneficial in terms of efficiency but will definitely result in less heat output since less coal will be burning than if the fire pot was free of ash. If the fire pot has finger like openings at the bottom where it meets the grate then it will be more tolerant of ash build up there.

Again look for easy access to clean those flue passages, especially where the flue passage has to meet the exit to the chimney. There could be a potential trap there for fly ash.

The stove is not cheap and I wish you had some experience burning coal so things don't come as a surprise. Please try to talk with some experienced users. There must be a lot of old timers there who remember the old days.

nortcan · Post by **nortcan** » Mon. Nov. 21, 2011 4:58 pm

firebug, seems you have the choice a bride or not.LOL.
Do you know that place: Antike Ofen der-Ofen-Galerie,Deutschland?
Someone sent this site ad. on the forum a few time ago, but I don't remember who?

firebug · Post by **firebug** » Mon. Nov. 21, 2011 5:12 pm

nortcan wrote:firebug, seems you have the choice a bride or not.LOL.
Do you know that place: Antike Ofen der-Ofen-Galerie,Deutscland?
Someone sent this site ad. on the forum a few time ago, but I don't remember who?

I´ve been to both places and found both owners equally friendly and knowledgeable. the only thing that struck me as odd about the shop with the Base Burners is, that the owner converts all the stoves, so that they work with wood. Have no idea what kind of alterations he makes, but with William´s words in the back of my head.. You know, about Base Burners being designed to burn nothing but anthracite... I´m not all at ease with the idea of purchasing a Base Burner that´s been converted to do something it shouldn´t be doing... do you know what I mean?!

nortcan · Post by **nortcan** » Mon. Nov. 21, 2011 5:20 pm

Yes, these stoves are made for anthracite burning, if he modified the stoves to burn wood , is it because anthracite is rare in your area? I know that some in America modif. them to burn gas but wood? A stove like my G.B. is certainly not very efficient when burning wood.
Good luck with your project.

firebug · Post by **firebug** » Mon. Nov. 21, 2011 5:35 pm

franco b wrote:
firebug wrote:. like "shovel" the ashes to the centre and then just give it a little shake?
No. I meant to slip a flat poker with perhaps an angled end just under the front grate and just above the bottom grate to loosen and encourage the ash resting outside the round shaking grate to go through that round grate. You won't get it all but should at least improve the situation.

A build up of ash around the circular grate will probably result in the fire burning in the center which might even be beneficial in terms of efficiency but will definitely result in less heat output since less coal will be burning than if the fire pot was free of ash. If the fire pot has finger like openings at the bottom where it meets the grate then it will be more tolerant of ash build up there.
Careful here! The stoves over here do NOT have suspended fire pots like Amerikan stoves. There´s the rectangular fire box lined with fire brick and there´s the round grate in the middle. Period. The major part of the fuel burns on the floor of the firebox, which is made of fire brick and only the very centre will have air coming from below!!! - Is that design at all capable of burning anthracite in an effective manner or will I be better off with hard coal and lignite?! I´ll try to find a sketch so you see what I´m talking about

Again look for easy access to clean those flue passages, especially where the flue passage has to meet the exit to the chimney. There could be a potential trap there for fly ash.
the dome-shaped top comes off in one piece, the flues are accessible from there plus they don´t bend, so you just stick in the brush at the top and brush through the entire flue down to the fire box

The stove is not cheap and I wish you had some experience burning coal so things don't come as a surprise.
thanks for being "the voice of reason"... I know, I sound overly eager, ready to run off and buy, but I´ll think things over for at least another month before I make a move

Please try to talk with some experienced users. There must be a lot of old timers there who remember the old days.

my trouble is: the use of coal has been badmouthed for the past 20years since the fall of the Communist German Regime. People associate thick, sulfurous fumes belching from the chimney and go off in a rant... plus people have been talked into believing that the use of coal is hopelessly behind the time and might be ok for a chinese peasant who doesn´t know better, but an educated European should restrain. You cannot immagine how many pointless discussions I´ve had so far...

wsherrick · Post by **wsherrick** » Mon. Nov. 21, 2011 5:59 pm

firebug wrote:
franco b wrote: No. I meant to slip a flat poker with perhaps an angled end just under the front grate and just above the bottom grate to loosen and encourage the ash resting outside the round shaking grate to go through that round grate. You won't get it all but should at least improve the situation.

A build up of ash around the circular grate will probably result in the fire burning in the center which might even be beneficial in terms of efficiency but will definitely result in less heat output since less coal will be burning than if the fire pot was free of ash. If the fire pot has finger like openings at the bottom where it meets the grate then it will be more tolerant of ash build up there.
Careful here! The stoves over here do NOT have suspended fire pots like Amerikan stoves. There´s the rectangular fire box lined with fire brick and there´s the round grate in the middle. Period. The major part of the fuel burns on the floor of the firebox, which is made of fire brick and only the very centre will have air coming from below!!! - Is that design at all capable of burning anthracite in an effective manner or will I be better off with hard coal and lignite?! I´ll try to find a sketch so you see what I´m talking about

Again look for easy access to clean those flue passages, especially where the flue passage has to meet the exit to the chimney. There could be a potential trap there for fly ash.
the dome-shaped top comes off in one piece, the flues are accessible from there plus they don´t bend, so you just stick in the brush at the top and brush through the entire flue down to the fire box

The stove is not cheap and I wish you had some experience burning coal so things don't come as a surprise.
thanks for being "the voice of reason"... I know, I sound overly eager, ready to run off and buy, but I´ll think things over for at least another month before I make a move

Please try to talk with some experienced users. There must be a lot of old timers there who remember the old days.
my trouble is: the use of coal has been badmouthed for the past 20years since the fall of the Communist German Regime. People associate thick, sulfurous fumes belching from the chimney and go off in a rant... plus people have been talked into believing that the use of coal is hopelessly behind the time and might be ok for a chinese peasant who doesn´t know better, but an educated European should restrain. You cannot immagine how many pointless discussions I´ve had so far...

Oh yes I can. I go through it all the time. Many other members here all have to deal with amazing ignorance and predjudice on this subject. Just follow your plan, have a warm comfortable house heated by magnificent stove. Once art, beauty and utility were woven into even the most common things. People with the modern point of view have so sense of that balance or understanding of it. The hearth was once a sacred place to be venerated and displayed with pride. Now the hearth is reduced to nothing but a vent in the wall with hot air coming out of it.

firebug · Post by **firebug** » Mon. Nov. 21, 2011 6:23 pm

@ francob:

this is more of less how the fire box would look like if looking into it from the top:

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What do you think: is that design of a firebox capable of burning anthracite or will I just be wasting precious fuel...

@wsherrick:
thank you for your kind words, I´ll stick to my plan.... looking out of my window I can do no other - just take a look at all the chimneys I can see from my living room window! They are there and they´re waiting to be used!!!

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Post by **franco b** » Mon. Nov. 21, 2011 7:36 pm

firebug wrote:this is more of less how the fire box would look like if looking into it from the top:

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I would say it will only burn easily in the middle. Anthracite will burn sideways to a certain extent so it depends how thick the build up of ash becomes outside of the circular grate. I don't like it. All the stoves that work well have the grate area across the entire bottom of the fire pot.

Would work fine with wood. I wonder if this is original or not. Did it look like new?