Shortage

Re: Shortage

PostBy: ValterBorges On: Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:21 pm

Its hard to bribe all the train station chiefs and secure the railways from mongolian pirates. toothy
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Re: Shortage

PostBy: Ashcat On: Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:31 pm

freetown fred wrote:My understanding is that it is cheaper to export from the USA then it is to transport in China. :wtf:

I hadn't heard that...but even NEPA anthracite at some point has to be transported within China to reach the end users. Maybe NEPA production is cheaper than Chinese or Vietnamese, but it's hard to imagine with the near-slave status of labor there.
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Re: Shortage

PostBy: crazy4coal On: Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:45 pm

If a ship comes here with a load of junk to put in our stores it's gotta go back for aother load. Going back mt does'nt make money, so load up with coal and get paid for the return trip at a bargain rate, pays for fuel and crew. Then load some more junk and bring back. Making money both ways. Truckers do it all the time.
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Re: Shortage

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:53 pm

Ashcat wrote:
freetown fred wrote:My understanding is that it is cheaper to export from the USA then it is to transport in China. :wtf:

I hadn't heard that...but even NEPA anthracite at some point has to be transported within China to reach the end users. Maybe NEPA production is cheaper than Chinese or Vietnamese, but it's hard to imagine with the near-slave status of labor there.

This is getting out of hand guys. I just Googled Chinese anthracite purchases and low and behold, this forum comes up #1. http://www.google.com/#hl=en&cp=27&gs_i ... 814f890LOL
Richard must be proud. :)
Anyway, some interesting stuff. A number of links are Chinese companies looking to buy anthracite obviously on the cheap. The next thing is a few links about water filters made in China.
Nothing comes back on a news search.
So the bottom line is this. There is coal at the mines. The guy that hauls it is so busy he could care less if the phone rings. Your dealer will more than likely lie to you to get you to buy bagged or more at an inflated price. If you want coal at this time of the year, go to the mine. I did that Thursday and I have a dump truck full of it in the back yard for cheap.
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Re: Shortage

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:36 pm

I dug up the old sage himself. Looks like it is cheaper today than 2 years ago. ;)
Re: The Anthracite Coal Market, How it Works

PostBy: coal berner On: Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:46 pm
As Of Today Blaschak coal is down from 180 a ton to 170 a ton picked up at there breaker's bulk loose .
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Re: Shortage

PostBy: scrapper_23jr On: Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:05 pm

how about the fact that in the last 5 years, we lost 200,000 ton of raw anthracite being mined due to M.S.H.A. and their enforcement of their rules, shutting down independant miners, unless someone puts a stop to it it will only get worse, thank our wonderful elected officials for the shortage, they are the ones who permit it to go on, example, how would you like for someone to walk into your house and write you a citation for housekeeping because there was something lying on the floor, or they come into youre house and write your wife a citation and fine for no toilet paper in youir bathroom, better yet you are on top of a mountain mining and you have to provide phone service, running hot and cold water, showers and working toilets with heat, one for each 8 guys working, our administration will not stop until all fossil fuels are gone unless we the people make changes. SCRAPPER
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Re: Shortage

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:30 pm

Scrapper, I don't know where those rules came from, I worked in quite a few different places some union some not, including a couple of coal mines & facilities & none of them had what your claiming. I've been retired for a few years but still keep in touch with friends still working & no one has ever mentioned having more restrooms or much of anything changing.
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Re: Shortage

PostBy: scrapper_23jr On: Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:46 pm

trust me, the regs are getting out of hand you talk to any current operator today and you will hear some real horror stories. scrapper
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Re: Shortage

PostBy: mason coal burner On: Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:39 pm

coaledsweat are you calling me an idiot for waiting to get my coal . :gee:
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Re: Shortage

PostBy: mason coal burner On: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:21 pm

belin if you send me some bit coal i will burn it .
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Re: Shortage

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:09 pm

mason coal burner wrote:coaledsweat are you calling me an idiot for waiting to get my coal . :gee:

Nope, never said that. I said if you need coal, you may have to go to the mine to get it due to transportation and distribution problems inherent to the system at this time of year.
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Re: Shortage

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:41 pm

Nobody can call another an idiot, it would be considered bullying & we would all end up on Dr Phil. Ahhh, you guys :clap: toothy
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Re: Shortage

PostBy: mason coal burner On: Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:44 pm

i was just joking .
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Re: Shortage

PostBy: Berlin On: Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:52 pm

mason coal burner wrote:belin if you send me some bit coal i will burn it .


I'll send you a whole truckload for the right price ;)
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Re: Shortage

PostBy: DennisH On: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:09 pm

I too would question the whole "shortage" issue. I just spoke to my dealer in central Michigan, and he said his buyers can have all they want. His prices went up a little in Sept (selling here in MI for $370 per 2400# skid) which is certainly higher than in NEPA, but for MI it's not bad at all considering transportation cost to get it here. Still cheaper than gas or propane. Bottom line is, as previous posters noted, don't wait for it to get cold before buying your seasonal coal. IMHO only the not-too-well-informed wait until mid-winter to lay in their coal supply. In spring and summer it's a no brainer to get what you need for the following winter. Like those who heat with wood, they're laying in their supply a year or two in advance. Might not be bad advice for us coal burners to follow, particularly if you don't live in or near NEPA.
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