How many breakers?

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How many breakers?

PostBy: Hybrid Guy On: Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:06 am

I am finally ready to purchase my rice coal for the winter. I called one dealer, and was told that I would only be able to buy 5-6 bags, or 1000 pounds bulk, for now. She exlained that the breaker has been broke for 3 weeks.
How many breakers are there in NEPA? How many other dealers are being affected by this?
And, should I call around to other dealers to see who will sell me a ton bulk?

I will be driving down from northern Susquehanna County, and don't want to burn my gas for a half load.

Feedback/input is appreciated..
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Re: How many breakers?

PostBy: Hybrid Guy On: Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:40 pm

My question has still not been answered.
"How many breakers are there in NEPA? How many other dealers are being affected by this?"

I didn't realize this question was that difficult!!
Or am I asking it the wrong way?
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Re: How many breakers?

PostBy: Rob R. On: Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:03 pm

Start counting: Google maps with coal breaker

Hudson and Cassey Kassa are the farthest North, if you are watching your gas bill I would start there.
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Re: How many breakers?

PostBy: Vangellis On: Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:57 pm

Casey Kasa is the Laflin Silverbrook breaker on that map. I'm burning their nut coal for the first time this year and like it a lot.

Phone: 570-654-3560 I would call first as I remember the guy saying something about rice coal.







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Re: How many breakers?

PostBy: Ashcat On: Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:20 pm

Hybrid Guy wrote:My question has still not been answered.

Yes, considering how much it costs to join NEPA Crossroads, you'd think the service would be better!
Hybrid Guy wrote:"How many breakers are there in NEPA? How many other dealers are being affected by this?"
I didn't realize this question was that difficult!!
Or am I asking it the wrong way?

"How many breakers are there in PA" is quite different from "How can I get my rice?", which I believe is your real question.
A breaker is a coal processing (crushing, sizing, washing, piling) facility. Many breakers sell direct to the public, even small orders. They also sell to dealers, government, industry, etc. If you go to a breaker for some coal, you weigh your vehicle, load your vehicle, re-weigh your vehicle, then pay. This works great for people close to a breaker--they can pick up maybe up to a ton at a time, then go again when that supply runs out and buy more. Depending on total seasonal needs, most folks here probably burn 2-6 tons per year--so that might mean anywhere from 3-10 trips to a breaker per season, for someone with, for example, a pick-up truck. Works well for people in the heart of anth country. But if you're on the NY-PA border in extreme northeast PA, I don't imagine that method would be too appealing to you. Unless you have a truck much bigger than a pick-up, or a trailer that can hold 2-6 tons, either of which would permit you to make one trip per year for all your anthracite supply, going to a breaker isn't too practical.

The usual method of the majority of us is to identify dealers close enough to you to deliver to you. Each local dealer probably stocks coal only from one, or at most a few, breakers. Your dealer's "breaker has been broke" (I assume mechanically broke vs economically broke, but I'm confused--isn't a breaker supposed to break? :) ). She doesn't know when it'll be fixed, and doesn't have a supply relationship with other breakers, many of whom may be short of supply themselves this time of year. (Which leads to Rule No. 1: Buy your coal in May-Jun-July, rather than December. By late spring/early summer, coal stocks have been replenished, the ground is drying out for dicey deliveries, and dealers are much less busy than in Dec-Jan.)

The solution for you is to identify other dealers reasonably close to you--I'll bet there are more than a few near you. Check out local.com and enter your town. You can pick up some there or, for maybe $25 more per ton, plus maybe $25 delivery charge, your coal will show up at your doorstep.
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Re: How many breakers?

PostBy: g350h On: Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:28 pm

Just called Casey on wed. They are running very low on rice, they said to call before u come for a load, they may run out.
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Re: How many breakers?

PostBy: RAYJAY On: Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:28 am

Hybrid Guy wrote:I am finally ready to purchase my rice coal for the winter. I called one dealer, and was told that I would only be able to buy 5-6 bags, or 1000 pounds bulk, for now. She exlained that the breaker has been broke for 3 weeks.
How many breakers are there in NEPA? How many other dealers are being affected by this?
And, should I call around to other dealers to see who will sell me a ton bulk?

I will be driving down from northern Susquehanna County, and don't want to burn my gas for a half load.

Feedback/input is appreciated..


Hybrid guy welcome another Susquehanna county guy here ( Union Dale PA ) if your looking for bag coal did you try Shamrock Custom Cycles 50 N Scott St Carbondale, PA 18407 (570) 282-1666 They do carry bag coal there, got my 7 tons of buck from casey its burning awesome nice white ash in Sept, Oct this year

Hybrid if that Harman is a older mag you can burn buck in it,

Jeff
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Re: How many breakers?

PostBy: Hybrid Guy On: Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:44 am

Ashcat wrote:
Hybrid Guy wrote:My question has still not been answered.

Yes, considering how much it costs to join NEPA Crossroads, you'd think the service would be better!
Hybrid Guy wrote:"How many breakers are there in NEPA? How many other dealers are being affected by this?"
I didn't realize this question was that difficult!!
Or am I asking it the wrong way?

"How many breakers are there in PA" is quite different from "How can I get my rice?", which I believe is your real question.
A breaker is a coal processing (crushing, sizing, washing, piling) facility. Many breakers sell direct to the public, even small orders. They also sell to dealers, government, industry, etc. If you go to a breaker for some coal, you weigh your vehicle, load your vehicle, re-weigh your vehicle, then pay. This works great for people close to a breaker--they can pick up maybe up to a ton at a time, then go again when that supply runs out and buy more. Depending on total seasonal needs, most folks here probably burn 2-6 tons per year--so that might mean anywhere from 3-10 trips to a breaker per season, for someone with, for example, a pick-up truck. Works well for people in the heart of anth country. But if you're on the NY-PA border in extreme northeast PA, I don't imagine that method would be too appealing to you. Unless you have a truck much bigger than a pick-up, or a trailer that can hold 2-6 tons, either of which would permit you to make one trip per year for all your anthracite supply, going to a breaker isn't too practical.

The usual method of the majority of us is to identify dealers close enough to you to deliver to you. Each local dealer probably stocks coal only from one, or at most a few, breakers. Your dealer's "breaker has been broke" (I assume mechanically broke vs economically broke, but I'm confused--isn't a breaker supposed to break? :) ). She doesn't know when it'll be fixed, and doesn't have a supply relationship with other breakers, many of whom may be short of supply themselves this time of year. (Which leads to Rule No. 1: Buy your coal in May-Jun-July, rather than December. By late spring/early summer, coal stocks have been replenished, the ground is drying out for dicey deliveries, and dealers are much less busy than in Dec-Jan.)

The solution for you is to identify other dealers reasonably close to you--I'll bet there are more than a few near you. Check out local.com and enter your town. You can pick up some there or, for maybe $25 more per ton, plus maybe $25 delivery charge, your coal will show up at your doorstep.


Thanks for the info. My question was meant to determine if the majority, or all, of the dealers buy rice coal from the same breaker. If this was the case, then it didn't make much sense to call other dealers becasue they would be in the same predicament. I'm guessing from the Google map link someone posted, that there are many breakers a little farther south. This makes sense, that is "coal country".

I've gone the bulk delivered route for 2 years. For numerous reasons, I won't have that person set foot on my property again... You mentioned placing an order in May-June-July. I did call this person in the first week of Aug '09, he waited until 10/24 in an all day pouring rain to deliver my coal. And when he called he said, "you're the one that I have to back up on the lawn and shoot it down into the outside stairwell, right?" Needless to say, he got buried. We used my excavator to push him out. He never offered to pay me, or even said "Thanks". I'll be civilized and won't mention his name.

Coal deliveries up here on the NY border tend to run a little high priced. I paid $200/ton delivered (PLUS $20/T fuel surcharge!), and I'm hearing $200+/ton from others also. I just bought a used F250, and only burn about 3 tons/year, so 3 trips to the Scranton area doesn't bother me. It's only about 50-60 miles. I've already burned about 1500 pounds of bagged coal (from Tall Pine$ and Binghamton Agway), so I "may" only need another 2 tons :lol:

Again, thanks to all who responded.
Hybrid Guy
 
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Re: How many breakers?

PostBy: Hybrid Guy On: Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:01 am

Ashcat wrote:
Hybrid Guy wrote:My question has still not been answered.

Yes, considering how much it costs to join NEPA Crossroads, you'd think the service would be better!
Hybrid Guy wrote:"How many breakers are there in NEPA? How many other dealers are being affected by this?"


You get what you pay for... :) EXCEPT on NEPA Crossroads! ;)
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Re: How many breakers?

PostBy: cArNaGe On: Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:02 am

FYI: You can fit a little over two tons of rice in an F250 with an 8 foot box.

:D
Don't ask how I know.
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Re: How many breakers?

PostBy: cArNaGe On: Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:09 am

cArNaGe wrote:FYI: You can fit a little over two tons of rice in an F250 with an 8 foot box.

:D
Don't ask how I know.


Also I live in Choconut. So if your in this area I know a person that Deliverers in this area but he requires a full load (6 tons). He's coming from Ashely so that's the reason for the high minimum but he is cheaper than getting it from Binghamton.
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Re: How many breakers?

PostBy: Hybrid Guy On: Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:11 am

cArNaGe wrote:FYI: You can fit a little over two tons of rice in an F250 with an 8 foot box.

:D
Don't ask how I know.


Not even gonna ask.

"Fit" and "safely haul" are two different things. I KNOW I'm legally registered for "almost" a ton. I don't mind stretching "a little". I spent too many hours behind the wheels of bigger trucks, semi's, and military vehicles to play Russian Roulette with other peoples lives (and my own).
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Re: How many breakers?

PostBy: Dennis On: Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:11 am

call the breakers and ask for a prefered reference list of delevery persons who are willing to deliver in your area,ask if they have a high lift if you need one. The amount of time and gas to drive to the breaker might not be too cost effective,yet unloading by hand.
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Re: How many breakers?

PostBy: Hybrid Guy On: Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:20 am

cArNaGe wrote:
cArNaGe wrote:FYI: You can fit a little over two tons of rice in an F250 with an 8 foot box.

:D
Don't ask how I know.


Also I live in Choconut. So if your in this area I know a person that Deliverers in this area but he requires a full load (6 tons). He's coming from Ashely so that's the reason for the high minimum but he is cheaper than getting it from Binghamton.


Brackney here. I'll keep that in mind for next year. :D

That is probably enough to heat my house for 2 years. And my "bin" only holds 4 1/2 - 5 tons (but I have put some on the cellar floor before).

I bought this truck (1999 F250) in need of some TLC. I just didn't realize how much "TLC" (3 months, and $1500 worth!) But it is in A-1 shape now, and ready to plow snow! Besides, I've been unemployed, and as people like to tell me, "your not "working", you don't have anything to do". :mad: :mad: :mad:
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