Bad experience with bulk coal! Blaschak needed!!!

Bad experience with bulk coal! Blaschak needed!!!

PostBy: creggh On: Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:31 pm

Last week I bought 2500 lbs bulk from a recycling center south of Romulus Michigan. The price was 12 cents a lb, and a lot cheaper than anybody else I found. I went down and didn't pay to much attention when they loaded it. Now that I have it in 5 gallon buckets, I found that it wasn't stoker, but coal gravel, soaking wet. It might as well be coal mud or coal gravel. It clearly wasn't screened, and I should have paid more attentin before I bought it. I got the number and address from Nepa on one of my last posts "Where is the bulk anthracite in Michigan" and "let's buy bulk for 2011". Just be really careful before you buy at this recycling center. I'm having a heck of a time keeping the coal from "welding" in the hopper. I have to keep chipping it out of the hopper and pushing it down onto the fire.

If Anyone has a number of a Blaschak dealer close to the Detroit area, please let me know. I guess I will have to bite the bullet and buy Blaschak. At least it is screened, bagged and will be the correct size.I called Nobles in Farmington, Mi and they wanted $14 a 50 Lb bag, or $330 a ton bulk. This seems like highway robbery to me, but I guess thats how they make a profit. I sure wish we could get some people in Michigan to get a semi load of Nut coal, and bring the cost down. I haven't had much luck getting any interest in buying bulk. I love the idea of burning coal in my new Hitzer 503, which sure beat burning wood in it. Unfortunately, all this fooling around with bad bulk coal has left a sour taste in my mouth. Any ideas, let me know.
creggh
 
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Re: Bad experience with bulk coal! Blaschak needed!!!

PostBy: theo On: Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:42 pm

$14 dollars for 50 lb. bag ? ,,,, thats pretty high. Has to be some around at a better price.
theo
 
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Re: Bad experience with bulk coal! Blaschak needed!!!

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:51 pm

Jimmney Christmas! At that price you'd be better off renting a truck and going to NEPA yourself. Or at least to the closest place that has less expensive coal along the route. Lisa
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Re: Bad experience with bulk coal! Blaschak needed!!!

PostBy: memco man On: Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:07 am

Hello everyone the price of coal is goining to keep going up I just talked to my coal dealer and he is going to start charging $370.00 a ton I am thing about taking my one ton truck. form Vt. to Pa. to pick up 3 tons even with the price of gas I would save money.
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Coal Size/Type: nut/anthracite/pea
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Re: Bad experience with bulk coal! Blaschak needed!!!

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:50 am

Yikees.

I have a Ford F350 (2000) 7.3 diesel dually with a 11,200 GVWR chassis. The truck weights in a 6400# so two tons will go in a bed legally. Mine is a full crew lab and 8' bed and that can be a bitch to park but you don't need the full crew cab. . If I am driving to MI I would want to be legal. I could tow 5 tons to stay under the 20,000# total. PIck up the coal and get scaled the first time, you will get the hang of it. Tarp the loads well. I would be getting 7 tons at a time with a regular license (under 26000#). Perhaps it's time to take a little collective action out there in the anthracite periphery. I would see a few summer coal runs it was me. Set up a MI (or VT) coal clubs, it's the way of the future. Unloading, well time for elbow grease (as my granny would say) but in a coal club that's the way it is and the load could be divided. The reason for the F350, well for the rest of the year it's an average pickup a coal club member could use around town getting 15 to the gallon (6.4 owners take note). Final note, look after that truck as a replacement for it is not likely.
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Re: Bad experience with bulk coal! Blaschak needed!!!

PostBy: Berlin On: Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:21 am

Did you look at the fuel cost numbers I posted on the other thread? at that price for bagged anthracite NG will cost you almost half as much, run your NG furnace if you've got one. If you want to save money, you can, but you'll have to use that coal that you have - which will work, but not the way you're currently using it.














coalnewbie wrote:Yikees.

I have a Ford F350 (2000) 7.3 diesel dually with a 11,200 GVWR chassis. The truck weights in a 6400# so two tons will go in a bed legally. Mine is a full crew lab and 8' bed and that can be a bitch to park but you don't need the full crew cab. . If I am driving to MI I would want to be legal. I could tow 5 tons to stay under the 20,000# total. PIck up the coal and get scaled the first time, you will get the hang of it. Tarp the loads well. I would be getting 7 tons at a time with a regular license (under 26000#). Perhaps it's time to take a little collective action out there in the anthracite periphery. I would see a few summer coal runs it was me. Set up a MI (or VT) coal clubs, it's the way of the future. Unloading, well time for elbow grease (as my granny would say) but in a coal club that's the way it is and the load could be divided. The reason for the F350, well for the rest of the year it's an average pickup a coal club member could use around town getting 15 to the gallon (6.4 owners take note). Final note, look after that truck as a replacement for it is not likely.


I doubt that truck weighs in at 6400lbs real world wet. my '99 srw supercab weighs 8400 with myself and fuel.
Berlin
 
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PostBy: memco man On: Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:49 pm

I was going to say the same thing my chev.3500 dump weight is 8364 empty I have built up the supention and reg. it for 15,999 that kept the ins. down but keeps the weight limit up so you don't get those nasty old fine. that DOT. loves to give out a say HAVE A NICE DAY.
We do not have natual gas up here in Vt. all we have is fuel oil propane pellets wood and you guest it coal I have tried them all I burnt wood the most (about 35 to 40 yr ) which I liked, then I got introduced to coal and I will never go back to any of the other fuels
Have a nice day
memco man
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Re: Bad experience with bulk coal! Blaschak needed!!!

PostBy: coal bob On: Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:42 pm

creggh wrote:Last week I bought 2500 lbs bulk from a recycling center south of Romulus Michigan. The price was 12 cents a lb, and a lot cheaper than anybody else I found. I went down and didn't pay to much attention when they loaded it. Now that I have it in 5 gallon buckets, I found that it wasn't stoker, but coal gravel, soaking wet. It might as well be coal mud or coal gravel. It clearly wasn't screened, and I should have paid more attentin before I bought it. I got the number and address from Nepa on one of my last posts "Where is the bulk anthracite in Michigan" and "let's buy bulk for 2011". Just be really careful before you buy at this recycling center. I'm having a heck of a time keeping the coal from "welding" in the hopper. I have to keep chipping it out of the hopper and pushing it down onto the fire.

If Anyone has a number of a Blaschak dealer close to the Detroit area, please let me know. I guess I will have to bite the bullet and buy Blaschak. At least it is screened, bagged and will be the correct size.I called Nobles in Farmington, Mi and they wanted $14 a 50 Lb bag, or $330 a ton bulk. This seems like highway robbery to me, but I guess thats how they make a profit. I sure wish we could get some people in Michigan to get a semi load of Nut coal, and bring the cost down. I haven't had much luck getting any interest in buying bulk. I love the idea of burning coal in my new Hitzer 503, which sure beat burning wood in it. Unfortunately, all this fooling around with bad bulk coal has left a sour taste in my mouth. Any ideas, let me know.
blackshack nut in ohio is going for 300 per ton
coal bob
 
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Re: Bad experience with bulk coal! Blaschak needed!!!

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:21 pm

My dealer is only a buck cheaper than that now. :mad:
SMITTY
 
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PostBy: Rick 386 On: Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:28 pm

creggh wrote:Last week I bought 2500 lbs bulk from a recycling center south of Romulus Michigan............ Any ideas, let me know.



Send a PM to member/moderator LsFarm. Perhaps you 2 can work something out. At the very least, Greg will steer you in the right direction on where to buy coal in that neck of the woods.




Rick
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Re: Bad experience with bulk coal! Blaschak needed!!!

PostBy: creggh On: Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:50 pm

Well, I drove down to Jonesville, MI, next to Hillsdale and picked up a skid of Blaschak from Victor Traschel. It was 200 miles round trip, but He was kind enough to show me his 3 coal burners. He carries the Leisure Line and his House, Garage and Barn all have coal burners in them. Price out the door, was $380 for 2400 lbs. Now I can set on this Bit coal until March when the temp. comes back up. I started the Blaschak and no more black, stinky, belching fire. Thanks for your comments. CreggH
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PostBy: theo On: Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:28 pm

roughly, whats that come to a bag ?
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PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:29 am

I doubt that truck weighs in at 6400lbs real world wet. my '99 srw supercab weighs 8400 with myself and fuel.


Berlin, thx! I am going to fill up and scale it after Xmas and let you know. We tow a lot of horses and I need to know anyway, originally Ford sold this as a 2 ton bed. I have been stopped and cleared with two tons of pellets in the back and the truck does not sag and looks right. Gonna be interesting. SRW at 8400 and a dually has gotta be another 400 lbs+, that would mean I can only get only 2600 lbs in the back.
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Re: Bad experience with bulk coal! Blaschak needed!!!

PostBy: Cap On: Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:41 am

creggh wrote:Well, I drove down to Jonesville, MI, next to Hillsdale and picked up a skid of Blaschak from Victor Traschel. It was 200 miles round trip. Price out the door, was $380 for 2400 lbs. Thanks for your comments. CreggH

Blaschak is $185 per ton at the breaker. I think you did good considering the fact it was bagged and you are in michgan.
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PostBy: homecomfort On: Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:03 pm

Berlin wrote:Did you look at the fuel cost numbers I posted on the other thread? at that price for bagged anthracite NG will cost you almost half as much, run your NG furnace if you've got one. If you want to save money, you can, but you'll have to use that coal that you have - which will work, but not the way you're currently using it.


If you do not have nat.gas, or really want to save money, run your heat pump when temps above 35-40, depending on system. if your a/c unit is old, have it replaced with a h/p. I burn coal for supplemental, and therapy, lol, and some oil when real cold, but electric bill barely rises even using h/p extensively as a supplemental.











coalnewbie wrote:Yikees.

I have a Ford F350 (2000) 7.3 diesel dually with a 11,200 GVWR chassis. The truck weights in a 6400# so two tons will go in a bed legally. Mine is a full crew lab and 8' bed and that can be a bitch to park but you don't need the full crew cab. . If I am driving to MI I would want to be legal. I could tow 5 tons to stay under the 20,000# total. PIck up the coal and get scaled the first time, you will get the hang of it. Tarp the loads well. I would be getting 7 tons at a time with a regular license (under 26000#). Perhaps it's time to take a little collective action out there in the anthracite periphery. I would see a few summer coal runs it was me. Set up a MI (or VT) coal clubs, it's the way of the future. Unloading, well time for elbow grease (as my granny would say) but in a coal club that's the way it is and the load could be divided. The reason for the F350, well for the rest of the year it's an average pickup a coal club member could use around town getting 15 to the gallon (6.4 owners take note). Final note, look after that truck as a replacement for it is not likely.


I doubt that truck weighs in at 6400lbs real world wet. my '99 srw supercab weighs 8400 with myself and fuel.
homecomfort
 
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