Average coal prices per the U.S. EIA

Average coal prices per the U.S. EIA

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:53 pm

Per the U.S. Energy Information Administration the average price (in Dollars per short ton) for PA Anthracite coal was $57.10 in 2010.

http://www.eia.gov/coal/annual/index.cfm

Would that imply that even the anthracite country locals who can get their coal for about $170 per ton are paying a nearly 300% margin premium?
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PostBy: coal bob On: Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:55 pm

lsayre wrote:Per the U.S. Energy Information Administration the average price (in Dollars per short ton) for PA Anthracite coal was $57.10 in 2010.



Would that imply that even the anthracite country locals who can get their coal for about $170 per ton are paying a nearly 300% margin premium?

very interesting :o
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PostBy: freetown fred On: Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:58 pm

It has always struck me funny that, knowing most of our illustrious Govt. Agency's are full of crap & probably need to get off thier ass's & go out into the world periodically. when something like this pops up, all of a sudden it's gospel :( Sorry Isayre, just one old farmers thoughts ;)
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Re: Average coal prices per the U.S. EIA

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:03 pm

Perhaps these are the prices the Chinese pay for their large volume purchases?
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PostBy: Rob R. On: Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:25 pm

I agree with Fred that the govt. usually doesn't know what they are talking about. With that said, read the fine print. It says the figures don't include mines that produce less than 10,000 tons. Also, the price is probably for run-of-mine coal. If you want to separate the rock, pick out the bone, crush it, and screen it...you could probably buy some ROM anthracite and "save" some money. :?

There is very little margin in mining coal, the prices we pay are very reasonable for what is involved behind the scenes.
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PostBy: ValterBorges On: Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:37 pm

whats on paper with the irs and the cash that exchanged hands would be the difference.
;)
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PostBy: steamup On: Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:57 am

lsayre wrote:Per the U.S. Energy Information Administration the average price (in Dollars per short ton) for PA Anthracite coal was $57.10 in 2010.


Would that imply that even the anthracite country locals who can get their coal for about $170 per ton are paying a nearly 300% margin premium?



Looking at that report the numbers are suspect. It looks like someone slipped a Bit number into the Anthracite column. Obviously produced by a government agency. Do you trust the accuracy of the government?
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PostBy: coaledsweat On: Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:51 am

I would agree, it must be the bit price.
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PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:06 pm

Note: · An average sales price is calculated by dividing the total free on board (f.o.b) rail/barge value of the coal sold by the total coal sold

So if you only take the sales of 100+ tons then use the weight of All sales excluding mines that produced 10,000 or less...
New Math... ;)
And you wonder why people don' trust what the Goverment says... :shock:
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PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:13 pm

Looking at the forms...
Export Coal: Producers are required to pay a black lung excise tax on every ton of coal (except lignite) mined. The tax is levied against the producers at the
first point of sale. However, if the coal is exported, the tax is not levied. Producers are required to file with the IRS to quantify the amount of export coal. The
coal export quantity reported on this form should be the same amount as reported to the IRS.
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PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:03 am

That's the mine price for raw unprocessed coal.
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PostBy: Berlin On: Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:35 pm

As Richard said, it's ROM Anthracite price. I can get ROM bit for 40-60/ton retail and industrial/power consumers pay far less for ROM @ the mine; of course ROM bit isn't worth the savings and neither is ROM anthracite.
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PostBy: tikigeorge On: Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:38 pm

I'm having 4 tons of buckwheat delivered sprayed with oil on Monday Jan 2012 for $1069.00. In Phillipsburg, NJ
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PostBy: homecomfort On: Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:32 am

I have read that the price of Pa. anthracite, adjusted for inflation, is about the same as 1949. I hear alot of belly achin; about how clean air and mine safety regulations are making coal too expensive for some of you. it is cheap here in n.e.Pa. and we have just about all of it. :D
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PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:19 am

homecomfort wrote:I have read that the price of Pa. anthracite, adjusted for inflation, is about the same as 1949.


I know going from the 70's to about 2000 the price roughly followed inflation however over the last decade it has certainly exceeded it. IMO the reason it has exceeded inflation is because it was depressed for many decades. I can recall massive stack piles late 90's especially with the low cost of oil and this was during the winter. At one point they were running out of room to store it at Hudson.
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