WV Bit vs. PA Blaschak Anthracite in a WM stove

Re: WV Bit vs. PA Blaschak Anthracite in a WM stove

PostBy: Smokeyja On: Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:48 pm

Keepaeyeonit wrote:Hi Smokeyja.I like Blaschak I think it's very good but I just finished a ton of UAE and what a difference I had to cut the air back to maintain the stove temp with the Harmony it was so free burning and easy to load I would reload the stove with 35# to 45# (15 min time frame)and the temp would not drop more then 50* or 60* it just took right off and the ash(red) was around 10% I was playing the try some new coal game but it's UAE or Balschak from now on. not sure if it's Available down there or not but if you can get some try it.Keepaeyeonit


UAE?
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Re: WV Bit vs. PA Blaschak Anthracite in a WM stove

PostBy: Keepaeyeonit On: Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:55 pm

Sorry,you hear people talk about Harmony coal it's UAE coal Corp I think Harmony is the mine(if I"m wrong someone please tell me :oops: )that it's mined form.Keepaeyeonit
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Re: WV Bit vs. PA Blaschak Anthracite in a WM stove

PostBy: Smokeyja On: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:16 pm

Keepaeyeonit wrote:Sorry,you hear people talk about Harmony coal it's UAE coal Corp I think Harmony is the mine(if I"m wrong someone please tell me :oops: )that it's mined form.Keepaeyeonit


Hmmm I am guessing it's bituminous? Well if I can get Blaschak in NOVA maybe I can get UAE. What is the price difference? I paying 6.23/pallet/2400lbs for Blaschak.
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Re: WV Bit vs. PA Blaschak Anthracite in a WM stove

PostBy: SteveZee On: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:11 am

Josh, That UAE Harmony is top of the line anthracite. Allot of the guys who live in NEPA have their pick of the best coal produced there and many swear by that stuff.
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Re: WV Bit vs. PA Blaschak Anthracite in a WM stove

PostBy: LsFarm On: Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:00 pm

UAE Harmony coal is available only in bulk, no bagged unless it's by a retailer, and right now they are not selling retalil except in small loads. No TT loads to the public till the spring or summer
Their coal is the lowest ash coal around. roughly 7% lately.

They are a commercial shipper of coal, to other breakers, they often don't have any coal available for retail, only ship to their contract buyers.
UAE coal is used by other breakers to bring UP their product's quality and bring down the ash content.

They are easier to buy coal from in the spring/summer.

Greg L.
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Re: WV Bit vs. PA Blaschak Anthracite in a WM stove

PostBy: Bootstrap On: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:26 pm

I'm gonna chime in because I run a Warm morning 523.....

In regards to a previous post talking about ash and having to poke the fire and what not....
I started burning anthracite in the 2010-2011 winter. I didn't burn much because of lots of "free" wood. I got sick of the "free" wood and have gone full bore with anthracite. I started this season with nut coal. Lately I switched to pea coal hopeing for longer burn times.....
Anyways, I never have to poke the fire and I run "her" 24/7 with 2 shakes per day. Unless I'm a dumbass and get lazy and/or forget to tend the fire about every 12 hours, it never goes out.
Figured I might chime in and say that I can run this warm morning 24/7 no problem.
BTW, I am running mine with a BARO damper and MPD.
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Re: WV Bit vs. PA Blaschak Anthracite in a WM stove

PostBy: Smokeyja On: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:40 pm

Bootstrap wrote:I'm gonna chime in because I run a Warm morning 520.....

In regards to a previous post talking about ash and having to poke the fire and what not....
I started burning anthracite in the 2010-2011 winter. I didn't burn much because of lots of "free" wood. I got sick of the "free" wood and have gone full bore with anthracite. I started this season with nut coal. Lately I switched to pea coal hopeing for longer burn times.....
Anyways, I never have to poke the fire and I run "her" 24/7 with 2 shakes per day. Unless I'm a dumbass and get lazy and/or forget to tend the fire about every 12 hours, it never goes out.
Figured I might chime in and say that I can run this warm morning 24/7 no problem.
BTW, I am running mine with a BARO damper and MPD.


Bootstrap, how finely does your WM burn the ash. Mine leaves white shale like ash and some fine.

There are a few differences between our two stoves. I believe your 520 holds 100lbs of coal correct? Your model is round on the outside and I am guessing the inside as well? Maybe some photos of yours would be good. The 414a being a smaller 40lbs coal capacity needs to be burned hotter to produce te same heat of a larger stove causing fusing of the ash "clinkers" and causing airway and firebox restrictions. Maybe if I run pea I would be better but I never thought of it. When I can really spare some more cash I will start buying and trying more coals. I only use a MPD, I have no use for a Baro as my draft control is very steady and I have no room for one.
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Re: WV Bit vs. PA Blaschak Anthracite in a WM stove

PostBy: Bootstrap On: Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:27 am

Well, my ash is alot like you described yours.
I just started burning pea coal. So far I hate it. When I burned nut coal I was easily getting 12 hour burn times but now the damn thing keeps going out.
I have recently come across the warm morning install manual. It states that a baro is recommended for all warm morning models. It also says that the baro goes between the flue and the MPD. I have my setup backwards( Stove, baro, MPD - should be Stove MPD Baro).

I(incorrectly) installed the baro at the same time I started pea so maybe its the reason why my burn times are less than stellar.
I plan on fixing this today.
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Re: WV Bit vs. PA Blaschak Anthracite in a WM stove

PostBy: Rob R. On: Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:51 am

Bootstrap wrote:I have my setup backwards( Stove, baro, MPD - should be Stove MPD Baro).


Bootstrap wrote:I plan on fixing this today.


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I'm glad you noticed that and are getting it remedied. The current setup is a recipe for CO leakage.
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Re: WV Bit vs. PA Blaschak Anthracite in a WM stove

PostBy: Bootstrap On: Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:36 pm

I have fixed it and am now running the stove properly. stove, mpd, baro.we'll see how good she burns now...
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Re: WV Bit vs. PA Blaschak Anthracite in a WM stove

PostBy: Smokeyja On: Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:45 pm

Bootstrap wrote:I have fixed it and am now running the stove properly. stove, mpd, baro.we'll see how good she burns now...


Let us know if it helps your burn any.
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Re: WV Bit vs. PA Blaschak Anthracite in a WM stove

PostBy: Bootstrap On: Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:43 am

I think it helped the burn. Still burning too fast but I'll get things tuned in.
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Re: WV Bit vs. PA Blaschak Anthracite in a WM stove

PostBy: Stephen in Soky On: Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:12 am

FWIW, my 500 absolutely ran away with me until I got the BD dialed in. Even with the BD, I still use the MPD about halfway closed to hold the heat in the stove after my reload is fully engaged. In my case it was a challenge finding the sweet spot (BD) where I still had sufficient draft to ignite a 40 lb reload without burning it up in a matter of hours.
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Re: WV Bit vs. PA Blaschak Anthracite in a WM stove

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:30 am

Stephen in Soky wrote:FWIW, my 500 absolutely ran away with me until I got the BD dialed in. Even with the BD, I still use the MPD about halfway closed to hold the heat in the stove after my reload is fully engaged. In my case it was a challenge finding the sweet spot (BD) where I still had sufficient draft to ignite a 40 lb reload without burning it up in a matter of hours.

I think your bottom door is not fitting tightly enough.
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Re: WV Bit vs. PA Blaschak Anthracite in a WM stove

PostBy: Stephen in Soky On: Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:39 am

That certainly could be the case. I've dropped a trouble light down and can't see any areas where it leaks. I cemented the entire area where the cast meets the firepot. I don't know what else to try? Now that I have my draft under control I don't have any real issues with overfiring and the stove is performing well enough to suit me. I'm blessed with a heavy draft on a 26' interior/chase enclosed 6" class A and it just pulled the heat right out of my stove until the BD was installed. My 500 is a circulator so checking for leaks is a great deal more challenging than a stove where the doors are open to the room.
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