Baro damper?

Re: Baro damper?

PostBy: coalishot On: Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:30 pm

manometer is calibrated . It is a commercial grade digital hand held. Also have commercial grade co detector. I have access to all professional tools. I dont know that it leaked at .02 as /that is where the reading was when I noticed late in the day. Draft could have gotten lower. When I noticed it at .02 readings were 53. Also coal bin top was full of condensate as was bin. This is a sign of little to no draft according to alaska. i have the mechanical manometer installed at all times 12" above fire. It seems when u run this thing to ow its just not enough heat to create proper draft. Will call Alaska again on Monday cause I am out of ideals. Right now as I type this I am drafting .06 on Medium fire. Baro is opened. I think I am going to make this my new setting. Might be u cant run this thing real low.
Any ideals appreciated.
Still havent ruled out coal problem. I bought it in bulk and it was stored outside uncovered at supplier.
coalishot
 
Stove/Furnace Make: ALASKA
Stove/Furnace Model: LIBERTY

Re: Baro damper?

PostBy: Dallas On: Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:13 pm

Without going back, did you have any other exhausts running? Was the range hood exhaust running? Bathroom exhaust? Dryer? Was there anything else burning? Hot water heater? Furnace? Is the house real tight?
Dallas
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Modified Russo C-35
Other Heating: Oil Hot Air
Stove/Furnace Make: Russo
Stove/Furnace Model: Modified C-35

Re: Baro damper?

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:22 pm

This is an interesting one, it should be drafting well now. Hmmmmm...
Wood'nCoal
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert


Re: Baro damper?

PostBy: coalishot On: Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:38 pm

nothing else running. opened basement window no change. Yes running perfect now on medium .06 blue flame 345 side stove 280 stack 12" up 168 stack after baro.
It just doesnt seem to generate enough heat on lower settings to create enough draft. hopper id underside collects condensate as does bin itself on low.
I have now 28 feet of 6" liner. 20 of which is in chimney insulated with vermiculite. rain cap topper storm collar all installed.
I can shorten chimney by 4 feet and still clear roof by code if i desire.

Also
When I light up there is little to no dfraft amd when I close door and wait for fire to build and create draft some smoke leaks through door. I know with draft this is no problem. But would expect better seal on door ?
coalishot
 
Stove/Furnace Make: ALASKA
Stove/Furnace Model: LIBERTY

Re: Baro damper?

PostBy: coalishot On: Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:42 pm

in dead of winter I see no problems b ut on cold nights with mild days like now. I dont want to have to shut down every morning ans relight every night.
Maybe a seal is bad in the stove.
Got to call Alaska again.
I wonder if they have a warranty service department.
Makes me wish I bought a direct vent power vent stove. No problems then.
Perhaps the Harmon
coalishot
 
Stove/Furnace Make: ALASKA
Stove/Furnace Model: LIBERTY

Re: Baro damper?

PostBy: Dallas On: Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:50 pm

Is your baro damper closing when the fire is at idle? Are there any windows open upstairs? You can always go back and read "my stove story", to see if anything clicks.
Dallas
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Modified Russo C-35
Other Heating: Oil Hot Air
Stove/Furnace Make: Russo
Stove/Furnace Model: Modified C-35

Re: Baro damper?

PostBy: coalishot On: Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:59 pm

yes it closes below .04. starts to open at .04 and wide open to maintain it on high. modulating on medium.
coalishot
 
Stove/Furnace Make: ALASKA
Stove/Furnace Model: LIBERTY

Re: Baro damper?

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:04 pm

With that chimney and the liner there shouldn't be any problems. Something's wrong somewhere, just got to find it.
Wood'nCoal
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: Baro damper?

PostBy: coalishot On: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:12 pm

an hour ago i lowered it to 2.5 which is medium low. the side of stove came down to 125 the flu 12" up is 112 the is dead on at .04 baro closed. The lid of the coal bin is collecting condensate again and the coil in the bin is also.

Can this coal be no good??????????????????????????????????
Although Alaska said condensate would form with inadequate draft.

I am setting up instruments to measure static pressure in house and difference when doors open and close. It shouldnt be this hard.

I woulld hate to put and inducer on this just what i need another motor to run.

I unpluged my blower to see what stove temps come up to and if condensate disappears at this setting. .04 is a lot of draft.
coalishot
 
Stove/Furnace Make: ALASKA
Stove/Furnace Model: LIBERTY

Re: Baro damper?

PostBy: gambler On: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:18 pm

Is the Liberty a stoker stove ? If so does alaska use a restrictor plate on there combustion fan ? Could you be forcing more air into the stove than a -.04 draft can handle ?
gambler
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Leisure Line
Stove/Furnace Model: Pioneer

Re: Baro damper?

PostBy: rockwood On: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:18 pm

coalishot
Is there any part of your house that is higher than the top of the chimney?
rockwood
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Stokermatic coal furnace
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Rockwood Stoveworks Circulator
Baseburners & Antiques: Malleable/Monarch Range
Coal Size/Type: Soft coal: Lump and stoker (slack coal)

Re: Baro damper?

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:21 pm

Probably would be worth trying different coal, it sure wouldn't hurt. And no, it shouldn't be this difficult.
Wood'nCoal
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: Baro damper?

PostBy: Dallas On: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:25 pm

I'm trying to think, what may have really helped my poor draft situation.

One thing, which I did, not for improved draft, but for heat circulation, was the addition the dual window fan, blowing from the first floor to the lower level stove room. This may tend to pressurize the stove room and help the draft in the stove/chimney. :?: :?:
Dallas
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Modified Russo C-35
Other Heating: Oil Hot Air
Stove/Furnace Make: Russo
Stove/Furnace Model: Modified C-35

Re: Baro damper?

PostBy: coalishot On: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:29 pm

ok with blower off stove comes up to 145 but I get sulfur smell. /Turned blower back on. draft remained .04. I checked it with 2 different mano's.
coalishot
 
Stove/Furnace Make: ALASKA
Stove/Furnace Model: LIBERTY

Re: Baro damper?

PostBy: Dallas On: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:33 pm

Does turning the blower off eliminate all air from getting to the fire? In other words is it starving for combustion air?
Dallas
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Modified Russo C-35
Other Heating: Oil Hot Air
Stove/Furnace Make: Russo
Stove/Furnace Model: Modified C-35