The Complaint Department Discussion That Went Political

The Complaint Department Discussion That Went Political

PostBy: the snowman On: Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:09 am

lets change up the direction of the complaint department. Something just recently found its way under my skin and I really would like to open the book of profanity every time I think about it. We are all told to conserve, conserve, conserve. Well, my wife and I are all about saving money, so we cut the amount of electricity we use in half and since we get charged for peak and off peak usage, we moved all of our heavy use which is now considerably smaller to our off peak use time 11:30 p.m -7:00 a.m. We received our electric bill today and it nearly tripled in cost over last month. Oh, did I mention that I read the meter to the electric company and the total kilowatt use I phoned in is a lot lower than the kilowatts I was charged for. It is not like I talked to a computer, I talked to a very nice young man who happen to mention when looking at my usage that I cut 33% of my total electric use over my previous month. Imagine my surprise when I get a really nice large bill. My wife and I are on the verge of calling the electric company to have them turn off the power and remove their jar from our house. Next month we might turn off the power and test to see if we use our generator twice per day, what our monthly cost would be. If we can make the change with little disruption to our lives and my business, we will disconnect from the grid. I know we live in an era where big companies are constantly screwing joe public, however, when it happens directly to yourself, it really hits home. I remember growing up hearing about someone getting the poor end of the stick or getting the shaft, however, it was once in a blue moon this happened to someone. Today this is the norm and it shouldn't be. I burn coal because I don't like to pay high prices of oil from other countries and I like burning a hand fed coal stove. I would rather pay a miner in PA than a foreign country. This lack of morals and price gouging has got to stop somewhere but where? I wish I could generate power from burning coal.

The snowman.
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Re: Complaint Department

PostBy: grumpy On: Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:12 am

Did they install a smart meter?
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Re: Complaint Department

PostBy: the snowman On: Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:28 am

I have the digital meter that displays both peak and off peak usage. It also has the analog dials at the very top as well.

The snowman.
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Re: Complaint Department

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:49 am

I expect that we will have more of this particular complaint in the near future. 52% if the American population voted a man into the Oval Office that swore to "necessarily cause our energy bills to raise." This wasn't said after the election. Those American's heard this and knew just what Obama stood for BEFORE the election and voted for him anyway, for whatever reason. Gas is double what it was before he came into office and as is demonstrated here electricity is following suite. Did you read that the head of the EPA is going ahead with closing down coal burning electric plants without having anything to replace the missing electricity. What do you think that's going to do to the cost of electricity? When down the road, people finally wake up and see the damage this Administration has done to this country through it's reckless ideology, it's going to be too late. Just as it's too late to go back and reopen the shuttered incandescent light bulb factories now that law has been reversed; sort of. It's not really reversed, it's just kicked down the road until we forget about. In the meantime, it's becoming so entrenched we won't be able to reverse it. Are you ready for the Obamacare taxes that go into effect next year? The administration is counting on us forgetting that, too. Hey, just how much more are you spending to feed your family? The cost of gas is really screwing with our standard of living. No big deal, it's all a part of the plan to "fundamentally change" America.

My complaint is against those who supported this man and his accomplices in Congress and those Americans who continue to do so. Lisa
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Re: Complaint Department

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:35 am

lowfog01 wrote:My complaint is against those who supported this man and his accomplices in Congress and those Americans who continue to do so. Lisa


Well then you've got no complaint with me! 8-)
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Re: Complaint Department

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:01 am

Snowman, I used to have the same problem with the electric company, they'd read the meter all year long, each month, then convieniently decide to 'estimate'
the current used for November and December.. and the estimate was always about 30-40% higher that the previous months,, AND 30-40% higher than any of the
previous years.

I called and bitched up a storm, got supervisors on the phone, etc.. they all acted like it was 'no big deal' that the higher payment was paid back with the next
actuall meter reading.. So I pointed out that with millions of electricity customers, that even a few dollars of over estimating per customer would add up to
a heck of a lot of money in the bank for a few months. Untill it was 'credited' back to the consumer..

I finally got the message through.. they still estimate, but don't add their 40%.. the estimate is usually the same usage as the previous year's KWhours.

Greg L.
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Re: Complaint Department

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:22 am

My sump pumps have been running since Hurricane Irene, I don't even want to discuss my electric bill. :mad:
And I live on "higher ground", to the east the land slopes down to the river, to the west it also drops, but to the south it's higher and to the north it's about level, I'm stuck in a bowl here!
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Re: Complaint Department

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:52 am

Wood'nCoal wrote:My sump pumps have been running since Hurricane Irene, I don't even want to discuss my electric bill. :mad:
And I live on "higher ground", to the east the land slopes down to the river, to the west it also drops, but to the south it's higher and to the north it's about level, I'm stuck in a bowl here!



time for a little Fracking drilling :D

drill to china, they need jersey water 8-)
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Re: Complaint Department

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:47 pm

So you don't agree with the utility company, no problem. America has a new way of dealing with people we do not like:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/12 ... l-he-died/

Have fun, it's the new way.
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Re: Complaint Department

PostBy: grumpy On: Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:52 pm

America, home of the free? Land of the ????
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Re: Complaint Department

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Dec 24, 2011 5:36 pm

Energy prices have been on their way up for a long time, it seems that taking regulations off & opening things up to free trade & competition don't always = lower price.
http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Elec ... ation.html
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Re: Complaint Department

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sat Dec 24, 2011 5:58 pm

Your link doesn't work.
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Re: Complaint Department

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:02 pm

Thats odd Lisa, just tried & it worked for me.
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Re: Complaint Department

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:11 pm

I was able to read it.

What I got out of that is exactly what we've been trying to tell you forever Sam. It was all due to REGULATIONS. As soon as the government began meddling in what should have been a market-driven commodity, power companies began to lose tons of money & began gaming the system ... which set the stage for Enron, et al.

Read your own link.
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Re: Complaint Department

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:37 pm

I was able to read the link this time. Smitty's right. It supports exactly what we've been saying. It also indicates that the rising prices were not necessarily due to removing the regulations but rather outside events like the weather. Competition will always lower prices and provide better quality products in an open market free from government regulations. That's because it's in the best interest of the manufacturer. If it's crap or too expensive people will find a different way to go killing his business. Lisa
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