Blower Life ?

Re: Blower Life ?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:45 pm

Hambden Bob wrote:Smit's....The Frog tells the Story The Best ! Anyway,leave it took Ug to ask a serious question,only to have it slide into the Gorge of Coal Perversions and the Like ! :drool: You've all answered this one ! If I put you into an environment with fines,fly ash, humidity as well as some heat,then I don't check on you for six months or better,well,I think I'd find you've ground yourself to Death. Construction Qualities and Maintenance Abilities have drastically changed. What was Bullet-Proof and Serviceable has really become slim to get ahold of. To my Pea Brain,the idea of having spares on the shelf has become a smart thing to plan for. Kinda' nice to have at 0100hrs on a Sunday Morning when it's -22* outside with a stiff wind. As usual,it only takes money and a quality source to buy from. In the long run,I think you'll be warmer with much more Peace Of Mind to save the Dineros burning 'Da Black Rocks ! :idea:



Question was asked then answered. Rails can go wherever from that point. :D
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Re: Blower Life ?

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:50 pm

Why do you think I Love this place so? There 'aint any Cookie Cutters here ! Nice Topic,Ug! I think more Folks than we know have this issue coming up more often. Timely Maintenance,Visitations And Correct Spares Save Lives ! :lol:
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Re: Blower Life ?

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Sun Jan 05, 2014 6:13 pm

Hambden Bob wrote:Smit's....The Frog tells the Story The Best ! Anyway,leave it took Ug to ask a serious question,only to have it slide into the Gorge of Coal Perversions and the Like !



Ahhhhh Hambden, I'm blushing.......truth be known, I'm a enjunerring nurd.

What we should really ask is what the b50 life of the Fasco motors are. A b50 life defines the average # of hours of operation before failure. This implies that 50% of the motors will have failed before the "50 life" in hours. It also implies that 50% of the motors will last longer than the average "b50" hour life.

I bet Fasco doesn't know this life stuff though oiling 2-3 times a season does help life. Also try to vac any dust from the motor vents on the side opposite where the shaft comes out at each cleaning. Oiling the combustion motor (inside the little black box where the wires are) is a PITA but should not be ignored.
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Re: Blower Life ?

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jan 05, 2014 6:48 pm

My issue with the Fasco fan is that the oil ports face DOWN when mounted on my Harman stove so they aren't all that helpful.

Of course, I switched to a ball bearing fan and after a season and a half, the front bearing is whining.
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Re: Blower Life ?

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:14 pm

We've gotta figure these crappy scenarios out ! Some of the simplest Maintenance access needs are so missed ! :crazy:
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Re: Blower Life ?

PostBy: gerry_g On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:03 pm

Uglysquirrel wrote:Pretty sure that LL uses Fasco blowers for a lot of years. Was wondering how long the convection and combustion motors last...we pretty much run these for 24/7 for at least something like ~3.5 months each year...thats ~2520 hrs per year.

With that said does anyone know the manufacturer's average motor life ? or any other actual group experience that says none of these failure before X years?

Guess we have to also consider if there was proper lubrication as well....I try to lube em' before the season and mid season...

Appreciate any knowledge..

Ug


My Pioneer has two fans, combustion and convection. The convection fan is speed controlled thus get a lot less wear than the combustion blower.

Finding the oil holes on the combustion blower is not fun. Each motor has two oil holes but I need to remove the electrical box cover to access one hole in the combustion blower. Even then, I use a syringe to reach the oil hole in the electrical box. Syringes with a blunt tip are legal in all states and easily found at good woodworking suppliers. (and some electronic suppliers)

Why there is an oil hole in the electrical box defies my logic.
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Re: Blower Life ?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:46 pm

gerry_g wrote:
Why there is an oil hole in the electrical box defies my logic.



Yours and mine both. But Fasco likes to sell motors so there may be something to that. I use spray white grease with a straw as well. Seems to make things quieter.
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Re: Blower Life ?

PostBy: gerry_g On: Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:43 pm

Flyer5 wrote:
gerry_g wrote:
Why there is an oil hole in the electrical box defies my logic.



Yours and mine both. But Fasco likes to sell motors so there may be something to that. I use spray white grease with a straw as well. Seems to make things quieter.


Next spring I might just see if I can permanently rotate the electrical box and expose both oil holes. It's headed to -2F here the next few nights, think I want the heat on! Given a winter storm warning, I think I'll empty my extra ash pans and bring in a few bags of coal. Generator tested last week.

With this extreme cold in December, I've only used 35 gallons of expensive (in eastern MA - $3.95/gal) propane this heating season!

Maybe I'll drill an access port in the electrical box and tap it for a large screw or punch a 3/4 hole and use an metal electrical cap to plug it. The spring loaded electrical caps are UL approved to cover an unused knock out hole in junction boxes.

I never thought of spray can grease, does it soak in as well as oil?

Now just to get long life ceramic! But the cost of replacing it is trivial compared to a few gallons of propane or oil in eastern MA.
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