franco b wrote:Not trying to knock Pierce Arrow, but it is unfair to compare a car costing one tenth as much and also in the 1920s when the T was going obsolete. Lets look at 1910.
How much did Pierce Arrow owe to Ford who pioneered the use of alloy steel and methods of precision fabrication as well as assembly? The early T was both lighter and stronger than the competition.
Sure there were better cars to come along but Ford showed the way.
There is just no other car regardless of maker that effected the market as the T did. As a milepost in the history of cars it stands alone.
I was supporting my gag and puke respose to having my being called a Ford.. if you compare the 1910 cars the same will show it'self, the Pierce was way ahead of the industry in just about everything.. a Piece in '10 would have cost almost $7500, a ford back then around $800 I think,
The piece then weighed around 6000# There are still teen's pierces being driven 1000's of miles on tours today, just like the fords.. But with a hell of a lot
more safety and comfort.
Pierce arrow was a visionary in the use of special alloy steels in it's frames, they were heat treated, special high manganese content cast iron for the engine and cylinder blocks. and Pierce used aluminum for the crankcase since day one,, not untill the 8 cylinder and v12 engines did Pierce use a full cast iron engine block,
. Pierce and packard engines were the engines of choice for the rum=runner boats because they were silent, powerfull and reliable.
Pierce arrow didn't owe Ford anything, anymore than Packard did..
Pierce arrow engines in the teens and twenty's had ROLLER cam followers, that's high tech even today,
Pierce had 4 valves per cylineder in the teens through '28, and their big engine in the teens was a 825 cubic inch monster, the largest production engine in
The ONLY real thing that Ford innovated was the production line, and Pierce never used a production line, all the cars were hand made a few at a time.. THAT's why they couldn't compete after assembly line production became so common.
Ford was a genius for cutting corners, and saving cost.. for that the public got an inexpensive car that had lots of limitiations. Like a cooling system
that relied on gravity circulation, like the handfed stoves with a coil.. it had it's limitations. but Ford didn't pay for installing a waterpump in the engine either.
Packard created the Packard 120 and it was mostly line-assembled, the Classic Car Club of America does NOT recognise a Packard 120 as a Classic, it is a production car.. All Pierces and High end Packards are Classics..They are hand assembled cars to the customer's specifications.
Pierce was the only recommended repair facillity for Rolls Royce of America , made in Springfield Mass.
Pierce dyno tested every engine for every car, then assembled the car and chassis dyno'd the car/trans/ engine.. So I is fair to compare, when the bozo in the parking lot calls a Pierce or a Packard a Model T..
Sort of like calling Pieres' Bride a potbelly stove... or William's stoves the same..