Vigilant II is just humming along!!!

Re: Vigilant II is just humming along!!!

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Thu Feb 06, 2014 7:51 pm

Mizitman wrote:
VigIIPeaBurner wrote:Yes, no gasket material is installed along the bottom edge of both windows. Are you sure the sound of rushing air is from the bottom of the glass and not the doors' seams?


Yah, I found that it was coming from the glass when i get down in front of the stove the noise is coming from the right window. I put my gloves on and just barely put my hand over the opening to the bottom of the right glass window and the noise goes away. When I take my hand away the noise returns. i took a short video last night with my phone of the noise. I'm not quite sure how to attach it tho.


You might be onto something. Under cold windy conditions when my chimney is pulling extra hard, I've heard a whistle when I have the internal damper open. I fought with the gaskets on the doors and couldn't find a problem with them anywhere. I just gave up and lived with it when it happens since I see no ill effects of the whistle. I've used a Dwyer 460 air velocity meter to measure the flow around the window base and could see flow there. Also use it to check the chinking in the stove's joints and not found any leaking. :idea: I never thought of using it to sniff out a leaking door gasket but will next time.
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Re: Vigilant II is just humming along!!!

PostBy: Rich W. On: Thu Feb 06, 2014 7:55 pm

I have the MultiFuel model and the owner's manual states that the bottom of the glass has no gasket material in order to keep the glass clean. When rebuilt mine got gasket material all the way around, and my glass is fine. I would regasket accordingly the next time your stove is cool.
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Re: Vigilant II is just humming along!!!

PostBy: Rich W. On: Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:00 pm

I couldn't help myself...I saw this old Dwyer Magnehelic 2001 on eBay for under 20 bucks and so I bought it! Not sure if it will perform like a 460 but I'll probably mount it in a case and play. The darn thing is date stamped 8-73 and was unopened and in original packaging! I hated to even cut it open as it looks more like a museum piece. But I did! My only draft concern is when the shutter closes all the way. Am I then depending on leaks in the stove for air intake?
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Re: Vigilant II is just humming along!!!

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:11 pm

Nice old instrument.
The air shutter will still leak a little and some air will still come through the bottom of the glass. Only your experience will tell you if you shut down too far. With your new draft gauge you will know if you are safe.
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PostBy: Rich W. On: Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:26 pm

Quick question for the veteran Vigilant folks...How much space should the shaker rod guide hole have around it, and is there a point at which it should be bushed or otherwise reduced? I added a photo below, and thanks in advance for your feedback!
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Re: Vigilant II is just humming along!!!

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:20 pm

Rich W. wrote:Quick question for the veteran Vigilant folks...How much space should the shaker rod guide hole have around it, and is there a point at which it should be bushed or otherwise reduced? I added a photo below, and thanks in advance for your feedback!

I think it should be bushed, but if the fire is able to be controlled easily should not be important. My model 2310 does have a bushing there and much tighter fit. An air leak there would only tend to cool the exhaust gasses at that point and not contribute to combustion air, but would lessen heat exchange on that side.

I don't think that space is from wear since it is perfectly round, wear would make it oval.
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PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:24 pm

Rich W, my 2310 is fitted with a threaded bushing too. Take a close look at the hole to see if there's any visible threads left in the casting.
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PostBy: michaelanthony On: Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:04 pm

Yup, same bushing here.

Sorry for the blur, if you can make it out mine is a split bushing (or it's cracked!)
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Re: Vigilant II is just humming along!!!

PostBy: Rich W. On: Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:32 pm

Wow! Just the feedback I was looking for! Thank you!
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Re: Vigilant II is just humming along!!!

PostBy: Rich W. On: Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:52 pm

Yes, VPBurner, there are threads!
Michael Anthony...do you suppose that yours is split to allow retrofitting the bushing without disassembly? Anybody have any ideas for sourcing a replacement? Thanks again!
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Re: Vigilant II is just humming along!!!

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:43 pm

The bushing isn't split. It's slotted for a screw driver so you can tighten it into place. Lift the front grill out, remove the fettel and grates from the left side. Remove the screw that holds the left side to the back.
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Pull the the front of the left side toward the firebox space so you can get to the pin that holds the shaker rod to the rear grate support. Insert the bushing, reinsert the shaker rod, reattach it to the rear grate support, put the left side back into normal position and reset the holding screw. Put the grates, fettel and front grill back into place and fire it back up.

If anyone finds a replacement, I'm interested in a few. Mine is showing some wear and I might have to replace it before I'm 70. That would put the stove in service for 25 years ;) It might wear out by then! I do spay mine with liquid graphite spray in the beginning of the season. I hit the door pins and hing-holes too. The only thing that really shows wear is the shaker handle and the front grill (because I run flat out at 700 nearly all season). I have the third replacement grill ready to slide in at the end of the season and I had a friend build up the shaker handle with some weld. Nearly new again!
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Re: Vigilant II is just humming along!!!

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:43 pm

Check this out bro, I can't find exactly where on the numerous models it goes on but it sure hints at a quick fix.
http://www.stove-parts-unlimited.com/Ve ... 201846.htm
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PostBy: bchill61 On: Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:13 pm

I Think you can find that bushing in the lamp repair drawers at your local hardware store It looks [ike a lamp socket nipple
question for you vigi do you think the liquid graphite would help quite the grates and last with all the heat? my stove is quite loud while shaking.

VigIIPeaBurner wrote:The bushing isn't split. It's slotted for a screw driver so you can tighten it into place. Lift the front grill out, remove the fettel and grates from the left side. Remove the screw that holds the left side to the back.
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Pull the the front of the left side toward the firebox space so you can get to the pin that holds the shaker rod to the rear grate support. Insert the bushing, reinsert the shaker rod, reattach it to the rear grate support, put the left side back into normal position and reset the holding screw. Put the grates, fettel and front grill back into place and fire it back up.

If anyone finds a replacement, I'm interested in a few. Mine is showing some wear and I might have to replace it before I'm 70. That would put the stove in service for 25 years ;) It might wear out by then! I do spay mine with liquid graphite spray in the beginning of the season. I hit the door pins and hing-holes too. The only thing that really shows wear is the shaker handle and the front grill (because I run flat out at 700 nearly all season). I have the third replacement grill ready to slide in at the end of the season and I had a friend build up the shaker handle with some weld. Nearly new again!
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Re: Vigilant II is just humming along!!!

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:18 pm

michaelanthony wrote:Check this out bro, I can't find exactly where on the numerous models it goes on but it sure hints at a quick fix.
http://www.stove-parts-unlimited.com/Ve ... 201846.htm


The link shows a spring and doesn't show the 2310 in the mix for the part. The bushing is threaded cast or steel with a drive slot in the end. I've had it out. Wonder where that spring from your link goes?
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PostBy: franco b On: Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:11 am

VigIIPeaBurner wrote:Wonder where that spring from your link goes?

I think it supplies friction for the thermostat lever.
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