Ohio earthquake

Did any of you Ohio guys feel the earthquake that happened a little North of Youngstown around 3PM?
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11365/1200573-100.stm

I was wondering why I felt weird.....around that time.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/ ... index.html

samhill wrote:Did any of you Ohio guys feel the earthquake that happened a little North of Youngstown around 3PM?
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11365/1200573-100.stm

Yes, I did!
I was in the basement at the time, and wondered if it might have been another quake up near Youngstown.

Hadn't been around to see the news, but asked the wife at dinner time if she noticed anything while upstairs...she had not.

Just for the record...that was Quake Number 11...move over California.

northeast-ohio-rocked-by-11th-earthquake-linked-to-youngstown-injection-wells

i did'nt feel it but there has been alot in the news lately http://www.mansfieldnewsjournal.com/art ... ell-halted http://www.mansfieldnewsjournal.com/art ... ttles-Ohio, are the two related?

I hear that fracking for NG in the local area is suspected of contributing to the earthquake, and that the company doing the fracking has suspended its local operations pending an investigation. Yet another example of this problem.

lsayre wrote:I hear that fracking for NG in the local area is suspected of contributing to the earthquake, and that the company doing the fracking has suspended its local operations pending an investigation. Yet another example of this problem.

Fracking?...not entirely true! That hear say is not factual.

As per the article I posted above, from the "Akron Beacon" and what I gather from the Youngstown News Media, it is the disposal of salt brine into a 9000" deep well from actively producing existing gas and oil wells...this is from the more conventional drilling process in use for many decades across the country. It is similar only in the fact that the brine waste is pumped down the well at a very high pressure and is dispersed into the cracks and seams. Ohio has 77 sites such as this one.
Fracking is a new to this region well developing process for the Marcellus Shale and the more local Utica Shale Plays.

You are absolutely correct. I just read this in an AP wire:

It was the latest in a series of minor quakes in the area in 2011, though residents say Saturday's appeared to be stronger than others. Many have struck near an injection well used to dispose of brine water that's a byproduct of oil and gas drilling.

Its owner agreed this week to stop injecting brine into the earth while the quakes are investigated.

I initially assumed that this meant fracking, but I stand corrected!!! It seems quite similar overall to fracking though.

The question I have is why is the industry allowed to put this into the ground untreated & what all is in it. Heck the cities along the freshwater lakes & rivers can't even put the road snow that might have some salt & other contaminants directly into the water.

samhill wrote:The question I have is why is the industry allowed to put this into the ground untreated & what all is in it. Heck the cities along the freshwater lakes & rivers can't even put the road snow that might have some salt & other contaminants directly into the water.

Very good question!

Out of Sight out of Mind...
Kind of like the MWRA Outfall...
The Solution to our Pollution is thru Dilution...
http://www.mwra.state.ma.us/harbor/pdf/omsap/benthic_stations_all_phases.pdf
Much better than before...

samhill wrote:The question I have is why is the industry allowed to put this into the ground untreated & what all is in it. Heck the cities along the freshwater lakes & rivers can't even put the road snow that might have some salt & other contaminants directly into the water.

That's easy to answer...the salt brine goes back in the ground just exactly as it came out of the ground in the first place. It is collected from oil & gas wells during production. Some brine will come to the surface along with the desirable oil & gas. Ever wonder what all those round tanks are for you see around all the well heads as you travel through the rural areas are for?

And remember, it is being pumped some 9,000 feet below the surface. That's nearly 2 miles down. No fresh water down there.

Is it brine from conventional wells or from fracking, it's been reported in some papers that fracking wells in Pa. are shipping their crap to Ohio for disposal. I don't know how far down fresh water can be found, I know the city where I grew up had Artesian Wells which I believe is deep fresh water. I believe also I read somewhere that Cheney gave the oil & gas industry an exemption from the Clean Water Act, might just be that it's a Haliburton process.

samhill wrote:Is it brine from conventional wells or from fracking, it's been reported in some papers that fracking wells in Pa. are shipping their crap to Ohio for disposal. I don't know how far down fresh water can be found, I know the city where I grew up had Artesian Wells which I believe is deep fresh water. I believe also I read somewhere that Cheney gave the oil & gas industry an exemption from the Clean Water Act, might just be that it's a Haliburton process.

The brine is from conventional gas & oil wells, and is not anything new...as I stated previously, 77 injection wells exist in Ohio...they have been around a good while, because now that "fracking" is a new buzz-word everybody wants to connect the two together...especially the news media.

Then do you mean that this report & others are all falsehttp://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pi ... 45228.html?

Believe it or not, I was on the roof of my house at that time, and I felt it swaying back and forth. I had to hold onto the chimney. I'm not anywhere near Ohio, though....