Huffington Post admits NDAA permits indefinite detention

Huffington Post admits NDAA permits indefinite detention

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:12 pm

And aside from that small matter, Obama has signed it into law, stating that he will never use the provision against US citizens, despite the fact that he can if he chooses to.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/31/obama-defense-bill_n_1177836.html
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Re: Huffington Post admits NDAA permits indefinite detention

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:06 pm

He might not, but it's always the next guy I'm worried about.

The people will get what they deserve. F*ck 'em.
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Re: Huffington Post admits NDAA permits indefinite detention

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:52 pm

I thought he could use that line item veto for something like that but maybe not, never said I agreed with everything he does, just don't blame him for that which he didn't do.
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Re: Huffington Post admits NDAA permits indefinite detention

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:11 pm

I don't recall that the President was ever given the power of the line item veto.
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Re: Huffington Post admits NDAA permits indefinite detention

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:31 pm

Catch the main page of the Huff-Po online before they change it.
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Re: Huffington Post admits NDAA permits indefinite detention

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:33 pm

We don't have line item veto.

The left is trying to spin it as "He HAD to" because it was tied to a larger defense bill but I didn't hear him saying much about it. You'd think he could have put up token resistance if that was the case.
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Re: Huffington Post admits NDAA permits indefinite detention

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:39 pm

And here it is from the ACLU's perspective:

https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-secu ... ention-law
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Re: Huffington Post admits NDAA permits indefinite detention

PostBy: rberq On: Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:27 pm

lsayre wrote:And here it is from the ACLU's perspective:

https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-secu ... ention-law

So all you folks who grumble about the ACLU, shut up, they really ARE on the correct side of most issues.

I didn't think I would have to say it, but "Obama, what a jerk!" That shallow excuse, that he "had" to sign it because the overall bill was so important, is rubbish. If the overall bill is that important, Congress would re-pass it without the detention provision.
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Re: Huffington Post admits NDAA permits indefinite detention

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:46 pm

Based upon how many Republicans in the House and Senate voted for this bill, it's likely that every Republican Presidential candidate sans Ron Paul would also have signed it into law if given the opportunity.
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Re: Huffington Post admits NDAA permits indefinite detention

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:39 pm

rberq, hopin you were being sarcastic about the ACLU. Even a blind man finds the door on occasion.
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Re: Huffington Post admits NDAA permits indefinite detention

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:43 pm

Jpete, there is a provision for line item veto but it might just be on certain types of bills & from the sounds of it this one could have been overridden anyhow.
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Re: Huffington Post admits NDAA permits indefinite detention

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:53 pm

samhill wrote:Jpete, there is a provision for line item veto but it might just be on certain types of bills & from the sounds of it this one could have been overridden anyhow.


So if it could have been over ridden, why not veto it, make a point and make the other side look bad?

As far as line item goes, this was all I could come up with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-item ... ted_States

Presidents of the United States have repeatedly asked the Congress to give them a line-item veto power, but in all such cases, either the Congress have refused or the Supreme Court of the United States has stripped them of it after they received it from Congress. According to Louis Fisher in The Politics of Shared Power, Ronald Reagan said to Congress in his 1986 State of the Union address, "Tonight I ask you to give me what forty-three governors have: Give me a line-item veto this year. Give me the authority to veto waste, and I'll take the responsibility, I'll make the cuts, I'll take the heat." Bill Clinton echoed the request in his State of the Union address in 1995.

The President was briefly granted this power by the Line Item Veto Act of 1996, passed by the Congress to control "pork barrel spending" that favors a particular region rather than the nation as a whole. The line-item veto was used 82 times in 11 Bills from the federal budget by President Clinton.[3][4]

However, United States District Court Judge Thomas F. Hogan ruled on February 12, 1998, that unilateral amendment or repeal of only parts of statutes violated the Presentment Clause of the United States Constitution. This ruling was subsequently affirmed on June 25, 1998, by a 6-3 decision of the Supreme Court in the case Clinton v. City of New York. The case was brought by the then New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

An amendment to the Constitution that would give the president line-item veto power has been considered periodically since the Court declared the 1996 act unconstitutional.
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Re: Huffington Post admits NDAA permits indefinite detention

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:19 pm

OK, I have heard it talked about a lot but never checked into it, sounds like just another political ploy.
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Re: Huffington Post admits NDAA permits indefinite detention

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:44 pm

This link has the best walk through of the actual text of the NDAA bill (now law) that is so damaging to our rights. It carefully develops step by step just how and why the text permits the indefinite detention, etc... of US citizens.

http://www.naturalnews.com/034538_NDAA_American_citizens_indefinite_detainment.html
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Re: Huffington Post admits NDAA permits indefinite detention

PostBy: mason coal burner On: Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:46 pm

supreme court ruling 1803 marberry v. madison any law that is unconstitional is not a law . this law is a violation of the 6th amendment . its unconstitutional
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