Can't get good burn time with sub-bit coal

Can't get good burn time with sub-bit coal

PostBy: dmay On: Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:43 pm

I'm using a hot blast 1500 I'm tring to use sub-bit coal but i have to add coal every 3 to 4 hrs ,I shake the ashs around 12 hrs . I would like to have longer burn times if anyone help
dmay
 
Stove/Furnace Make: us stove
Stove/Furnace Model: hot blast 1500

Re: Can't get good burn time with sub-bit coal

PostBy: rockwood On: Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:05 pm

Check out this post by bverwolf. The furnace is similar to yours and they are using sub-bituminous.
Bituminous Burn Times?
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Re: Can't get good burn time with sub-bit coal

PostBy: bverwolf On: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:28 am

dmay
I have a Vogelzang Norseman 2500 which is very similiar to your stove. I also burn sub bit. in mine and have good luck. I can easily get 12 hours between loadings in mine. I'll try to explain to you how I run my stove. This may not work for your stove as the setup and different types of coal can make things totally different. I'm not exactly familiar with your stove, but if its like mine, it will have two shaker grates. One at the back of the stove and one at the front. If its the smaller model it might just have the one shaker grate. If yours is the smaller one, just half the amounts of coal that I will talk about. I also have built a thermostatically controlled inlet air damper on my stove. I do know that this has saved me alot of coal. Also you might be heating too large of an area for your stove. My stove is the larger one with 2 grates and I heat about 1800 sq ft. My stove pretty much just idles along most of the time unless it gets down into the teens or below. My house is also pretty tight with decent insulation.
First off, I'm not sure if you have a manometer, but I suggest buying one. I'm not sure if I could get along without mine now that I've had it. I also have a barometric damper to control chimney draft. I usually set my draft anywhere from .04 inches water column to .055. When its warmer and I don't need as much heat I set it less and when its colder I set it a little more. You might be experiencing high draft in your chimney therefore it will pull more air through the coal and burn it up faster.
To start my stove, I like to get a good bed of wood coals going in it. I like to have the entire grate area with about 2 to 3 inches of hot wood coals covering it. I then rake all these coals to the front of the stove. I then put about a 5 gallon bucket of coal in the back of the stove and sort of taper it to the front and have it just end at the edge of the burning wood coals. Also with sub-bit, the bigger piece of coal the better. I then take 3 or 4 baseball sized pieces and 2 or 3 good hand fulls of walnut sized pieces and place them on top of the burning wood coals. I then shut the door and if I didn't have the thermostatically controlled damper, I would only open my draft knob 3/4 of a turn or so. After about 6 hours or so I will come back and "top off" the stove. I will rake all the burning coal to the front and fill the back up with fresh coal again. This is called banking. "I will not put any frest coal on the burning coals from now on. I just do that on the first load after when starting." Banking the coal will allow the fire to slowly burn through the coal increasing your burn time and also reducing smoke. I then repeat again every twelve hours. I usually burn anywhere from 1/2 a five gallon bucket "about 15 lbs of my lump sizes", to a full bucket-30lbs, in a 12 hour period. If it gets below zero, I will burn up to 1 1/2 buckets 35-45lbs in 12 hours.
I don't ever mess with the damper on the loading door. This is overfire or secondary air which you don't need much of. My stove has some slots in the front and rear cast liners that allow some secondary or over the fire air in. I've played with covering mine up and have found that its best to leave them open as my coal has alot of violatile gas that is released when it is burned.
Also, the grates in these things are a poor design in my opinion. Mine never did really shake down much ash. I usually give it a few shakes and then I use a L shaped poker I built out of 1/4" steel rod that I slice under the coal with to help get the ash down. My original grates finally broke awhile back and I ended up building a new set out of oilfield sucker rod that so far are working great. They seem to be holding up and also seem to do a better job of shaking the ash down.

Well, thats my 2 cents. This is what works for me. It may or may not work for you. Good luck and if you have any questions feel free to ask!
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Stove/Furnace Make: Vogelzang
Stove/Furnace Model: Norseman 2500


Re: Can't get good burn time with sub-bit coal

PostBy: Berlin On: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:28 am

Are you sure you're using sub-bit in Pike county? There's not a lot of sub-bit in eastern KY. The hot blast is not a good stove with coal, i know many people who have tried to get heat out of them with coal and none that I know have been happy. Now the clayton furnaces and other similar designs seem to work decently well; i'm not sure what the major differences are I haven't looked either one of them over very carefully. Also bear in mind that subbit doesn't have very high btu/lb and you may very well be overloading the capability of your batch-fired furnace.
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Re: Can't get good burn time with sub-bit coal

PostBy: dmay On: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:41 pm

my furnace has the two grates and everything the same but the draft ,I thank you for the time and I'll try the pulling the hot coals to the front and load the back ,I haven't been doing that .I've been leaving the hot coals in place and adding coal on top of the hot coals and that is prob. the reason I'm not getting the burn times thanks alot

Berlin I think it is very dirt coal and if you hold a lighter to it for 30 sec it will start to burn what other kind of coal could it be any ideas
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Stove/Furnace Make: us stove
Stove/Furnace Model: hot blast 1500

Re: Can't get good burn time with sub-bit coal

PostBy: Berlin On: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:52 pm

also, make sure that your draft isn't too strong and that you are filling the firebox up as high as it will go. a little air under the fire and a very little air over the fire; don't use forced draft if possible (and definately don't use the blower over the fire - in the loading door - with coal).
Berlin
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Will-Burt Combustioneer 77B
Coal Size/Type: Ohio BITUMINOUS pea stoker coal

Re: Can't get good burn time with sub-bit coal

PostBy: dmay On: Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:05 pm

Berlin wrote:also, make sure that your draft isn't too strong and that you are filling the firebox up as high as it will go. a little air under the fire and a very little air over the fire; don't use forced draft if possible (and definately don't use the blower over the fire - in the loading door - with coal).


dmay
on the draft in chimney I don't know for sure ,the firebox have it full to the top of the fire brick and the ash door I open any where from 1/2 to 1 turns and I don't use forced draft
thanks for the help
dmay
 
Stove/Furnace Make: us stove
Stove/Furnace Model: hot blast 1500

Re: Can't get good burn time with sub-bit coal

PostBy: dmay On: Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:42 pm

Well I shut the furnace down cleaned the grates and they had rock blocking the grates and restated and now waiting for the weather to cool down again we will see. I think it's warmer and don't have the fire going big and house is 75 to 83 and it's in the 30s at nights
dmay
 
Stove/Furnace Make: us stove
Stove/Furnace Model: hot blast 1500

Re: Can't get good burn time with sub-bit coal

PostBy: dmay On: Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:45 pm

dmay wrote:Well I shut the furnace down cleaned the grates and they had rock blocking the grates and restated and now waiting for the weather to cool down again we will see. I think it's warmer and don't have the fire going big and house is 75 to 83 and it's in the 30s at nights



Thanks for the advice bverwolf I'm string it the way you said
dmay
 
Stove/Furnace Make: us stove
Stove/Furnace Model: hot blast 1500

Re: Can't get good burn time with sub-bit coal

PostBy: bverwolf On: Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:31 pm

Hows it going with your stove?? Any luck??
Ben
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Re: Can't get good burn time with sub-bit coal

PostBy: dmay On: Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:24 pm

I went 12 he's but it was in the 50s today. But last night the temp stay at 70s and30s at night the weather is get cold later this week we will see
dmay
 
Stove/Furnace Make: us stove
Stove/Furnace Model: hot blast 1500

Re: Can't get good burn time with sub-bit coal

PostBy: bverwolf On: Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:27 am

Good to hear. Keep us posted!
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Stove/Furnace Make: Vogelzang
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Re: Can't get good burn time with sub-bit coal

PostBy: Stephen in Soky On: Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:59 am

Dmay, If you have any sources of bit in Pike County I'd really appreciate it if you'd post them in the "Where to Buy" sticky. I'm not fully satisfied with my source and the information would be valuable to me and many others. Thanks, Stephen
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Re: Can't get good burn time with sub-bit coal

PostBy: dmay On: Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:58 pm

Stephen in Soky wrote:Dmay, If you have any sources of bit in Pike County I'd really appreciate it if you'd post them in the "Where to Buy" sticky. I'm not fully satisfied with my source and the information would be valuable to me and many others. Thanks, Stephen


Well I get my coal from my father in-law. He gets it because he work there they give it to him they don't sale to public sorry but ill check to see for you I'm looking my self because I don't have enough
dmay
 
Stove/Furnace Make: us stove
Stove/Furnace Model: hot blast 1500

Re: Can't get good burn time with sub-bit coal

PostBy: dmay On: Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:20 pm

I guess I'm worrying about the temp on the furnace. When I say can't keep temp up on furnace not the house
dmay
 
Stove/Furnace Make: us stove
Stove/Furnace Model: hot blast 1500