Power Venter's ???

 
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Post by windtech » Sat. Jan. 07, 2012 7:56 am

OK im going in to the unknown. :? Well at least for me. This is what happens when you have to much time on your hands.
Can a power venter be used on a hand fired stove? I know that there used on coal stokers,gas and oil burners,. But what about hand fired? Are these units designed to run 24/7? Would they hold up to the use? Wouldn't what a venter going out when you needed it. what about hand fired coal stoves? Just think, set your draft and forget. think of the places you could put your stove. It would not be limited to using a chimney. OK I know there are codes for this sort of install. Or are there codes for this kind of install. BUT could you use one?

I did a quick search and didn't find any info on this. Is it because its not safe or just hasn't been done yet? :idea:


 
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Post by SteveZee » Sat. Jan. 07, 2012 8:02 am

Nope, you wouldn't want one on a hand fed for the very reason you stated. If the power ever failed, you got a serious problem. A stoker or pellet/gas stoves that use these have the ability to shut down quickly and are only ever firing a small volume of fuel at a given time. A hand fed could have 100lbs of coal cooking. What do you with that when the powerventer fails or shuts off?

 
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Post by Lightning » Sat. Jan. 07, 2012 8:07 am

I think a powered vent on my hand fed would be great! The safety issue is a power outage. 80 pounds of coal isn't just gonna quit burning so if and when the draft reversed, carbon monoxide would be bleeding into your house. A fail safe would be critical. Like maybe a battery back up.

 
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Post by windtech » Sat. Jan. 07, 2012 8:10 am

But it is a chimney of sorts? warm air does move up. so even if the motor went on the venter there should be some draft on the vent. only asking because I have never used one.

 
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Post by windtech » Sat. Jan. 07, 2012 8:16 am

Lightning wrote:The safety issue is a power outage. 80 pounds of coal isn't just gonna quit burning so if and when the draft reversed, carbon monoxide would be bleeding into your house. A fail safe would be critical. Like maybe a battery back up.
i think the better question is not power, but failure of the venter. but we live in a perfect world nothing ever fails when you need it most. :shock:

 
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Post by Smokeyja » Sat. Jan. 07, 2012 8:39 am

Let's take power out of the equation and fit it with a battery back up capable of supporting it for a 12 hour power failure at least. Or for the self sufficient guys/gals ,solar power with battery banking.

 
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Post by Vinmaker » Sat. Jan. 07, 2012 9:22 am

I doubt it would be a good idea. There is just too much risk (death) if this thing fails in the night. Even with CO detectors, 80lbs will slowly burn for a long time. Could smolder for two days until it is completely out. And all that time, it is putting out CO. Very bad. Best to keep it simple. Which is why many of us like hand fed stoves. Just simple steel boxes. Nothing to break or shut down.


 
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Post by franco b » Sat. Jan. 07, 2012 12:05 pm

Vinmaker wrote:Very bad. Best to keep it simple. Which is why many of us like hand fed stoves. Just simple steel boxes. Nothing to break or shut down.
A motor running 24/7 is guaranteed to break down and how soon can you get a replacement while you have no heat?

 
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Post by I'm On Fire » Sat. Jan. 07, 2012 1:28 pm

I don't have a power venter but use a draft inriver, which I guess could be considered a power venter. But anyway, it's on my hand fired. Power outages are an issue, I only use it when it's warm out. I have lost power when using it and I transfer it over to the generator. I have been meaning to order a second motor for it but haven't yet. But the lowest I've seen my draft at 180° without the inducer when it's 40°+ outside is .02"wc. I've got the inducer set to pull .04"wc on low with the mpd closed. With it open it goes to .06".

At any rate, I guess a power venter could be used on a hand fired but you do need to prepare for the what-if.

 
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Post by Lightning » Sat. Jan. 07, 2012 1:34 pm

A secondary battery powered vent motor triggered to start upon a power outage or triggered by a failure of draft would be best case I'm thinking. Although like mentioned above, simplicity is what makes hand feds independent. A powered vent would create a consist draft, making things easier on warm days when attempting to keep a low fire. Sometimes you can't have your cake and eat it too I guess lol. I worry about my ducts getting too hot if my blowers quit.

 
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Post by SteveZee » Sat. Jan. 07, 2012 2:31 pm

The fact is that they are not legal on hand fired stoves. I'm not talking about a draft inducer, I'm talking about power vents that take stove exhaust through a wall to the outdoors instead of up a chimney. They are only approved for stokers, pellet or gas appliances.

 
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Post by windtech » Sat. Jan. 07, 2012 6:15 pm

:surrender: I am sorry if any one thought I was in any way going to do this. I was just thinking out side the box. :oops2: I know that in the past when someone told me "that it couldn't be done" this was a challenge, to me of sorts. sometimes we all have to learn the hard way. that's how we learn. I know there are a lot of reasons why we can't use them. and I am sure as the day is long someone out there has proved that you can't use them. sorry if anyone thought I was implying that I am going to install one for a hand fired stove.

:!: ALSO BY NO MEANS AM I GOING TO PUT MY LIFE OR THE LIFE OF SOMEONE ELSE IN DANGER! :!:

with that said. this could be the next big thing "IF" and I say "IF" it could be done safely. I know that we have the ability to put a man on the moon, then what could we come up with? yea I know, I have way to much time on my hands.

any ideas???? :gee:

 
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Post by sebring » Sat. Jan. 07, 2012 6:21 pm

I think a new power venter is 400 something. A regular ss chimney from lowes will be 800 to 1000 and there isnt any worry after installing it..

 
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Post by Dennis » Sat. Jan. 07, 2012 6:29 pm

not to forget the 150'ish degrees being exhausted only 2' from your siding 24/7. :blowup:

 
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Post by Uglysquirrel » Sat. Jan. 07, 2012 6:38 pm

SteveZee wrote:The fact is that they are not legal on hand fired stoves. I'm not talking about a draft inducer, I'm talking about power vents that take stove exhaust through a wall to the outdoors instead of up a chimney. They are only approved for stokers, pellet or gas appliances.
SteveZee say truth, also if you have fire that destroys wigwam, wigwam's insurance may not pay.

Besides, we all have our coal systems inspected by our Town for insurance purposes , don't we ? :roll:


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