Blower noise-Pioneer LE back vent

Blower noise-Pioneer LE back vent

PostBy: Kenbig On: Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:52 am

I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with remotely locating the fans on a Leisure line pioneer le back vent stove. Although we like the Leisure line stove much better than our previous woodstove, for conveinence, the noise the fans make is quite loud compared to our old woodstove. The stove is in a living area over our basement so I could mount the fans in our basement and provide ductwork up to the stove therefore isolating the noise of the blower fan and the combustion fan.

First off has anyone done this? Second are there parts or kits available to do this, or would I have to fabricate my own parts? Third is this a reasonable change to consider and if it isnt why not?

thank you for any information
Ken Bignoli
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Stove/Furnace Make: Pioneer LE back vent

Re: Blower noise-Pioneer LE back vent

PostBy: WNY On: Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:35 am

If you do a search on here, There were a couple people that have mounted the fans in the basement and plumbed them up thru the floor to the stove. Anything is possible if you have a little bit of ingenuity and skills. I doubt if there are any kits, since most do not do this, and every situation would be different. maybe build a small box around the blowers to help isolate the noise, but leave enough openings for airflow for the blowers? just a thought.
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Re: Blower noise-Pioneer LE back vent

PostBy: Kenbig On: Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:59 am

Thanks for the info. I suspect that the change is fundamentally simple and would not affect the stoves performance significantly. I didn't want to re-invent the wheel if I didnt need to so I'm looking for a been there, done that post. I will search the forum further and see if I can find some direct info on what others have done. I'm not to familar with the workings of this site so it took me sometime to find your reply to my post. As soon as I can figure out how to have a reply post alert sent to my email inbox I will be much further along.

thank you again, ken
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Re: Blower noise-Pioneer LE back vent

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:21 pm

Isolation between a convection fan and the metal housing is quite a challenge with resonate frequencies and all, the fan in the basement does hold some promise though there can be a small delta p between floors,,,a big deal ? likely not. I would not put the combustion fan anywhere else but its OEM placement due pressure drops, etc since the amt of air going into the plenum under the grate is pretty important.

Personally I would first get some aluminized clothes dryer flex duct and aluminum tape and jury rig the convection blower a few feet from the stove to see how it sounds though that would be a very temporary test, not permanent at all. Placing the air inlet in a direction away from the large room area also may help. Just understand that any type of pipe causes a pressure drop and cfm loss, the longer, the worse it gets.
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Re: Blower noise-Pioneer LE back vent

PostBy: WNY On: Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:32 pm

When you post, at the bottom of the Message box, there a check box for "NOTIFY ME when a reply is posted", I believe there is setting in your profile for subscriptions something.

Good luck, like he said a above, just rig a temporary ductwork and run them away from the stove and see how it works before cutting into the floor. Do you have a heat vent anywhere close to the stove? Maybe use that to make a transistion piece.
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Re: Blower noise-Pioneer LE back vent

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Sat Jan 07, 2012 7:05 pm

Thanks, WNY.

Also try resting the blower on a block of soft packing foam, this isolates the blower from the floor.

This temporary sort of hookup (which turned into a permanent :roll: temporary configuration) was was done with a Harman Mark II, the rear blower motor for some reason would resonate the stove for some god forsaken reason, the rattle was :mad: unnerving.
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Stove/Furnace Model: Pocono

Re: Blower noise-Pioneer LE back vent

PostBy: McGiever On: Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:14 am

Here is what another member here has done...

Harman Magnum Stoker Installation
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Re: Blower noise-Pioneer LE back vent

PostBy: Kenbig On: Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:06 am

Thank you for the reply, I like the suggestion of trying a test set up first but from reading all the replies, especially the last one showing the Harmon retrofit, I think I have enough info to go ahead and perform the surgery. The next best thing I could hope for is that someone has identified parts and a source that would bolt up the connection directly to the stove. It looks like I will have to custom make some components or get them made. thank you again for your input,

Uglysquirrel wrote:Isolation between a convection fan and the metal housing is quite a challenge with resonate frequencies and all, the fan in the basement does hold some promise though there can be a small delta p between floors,,,a big deal ? likely not. I would not put the combustion fan anywhere else but its OEM placement due pressure drops, etc since the amt of air going into the plenum under the grate is pretty important.

Personally I would first get some aluminized clothes dryer flex duct and aluminum tape and jury rig the convection blower a few feet from the stove to see how it sounds though that would be a very temporary test, not permanent at all. Placing the air inlet in a direction away from the large room area also may help. Just understand that any type of pipe causes a pressure drop and cfm loss, the longer, the worse it gets.
Kenbig
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Pioneer LE back vent

Re: Blower noise-Pioneer LE back vent

PostBy: Kenbig On: Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:10 am

I did get a message that I had replies to my inquiry so I must have set something up right in my profile. The Harmon retrofit link someone submitted tells me that this is all possible with good results, so I think I will move on to getting parts and planning my installation. thank you for your input.

WNY wrote:When you post, at the bottom of the Message box, there a check box for "NOTIFY ME when a reply is posted", I believe there is setting in your profile for subscriptions something.

Good luck, like he said a above, just rig a temporary ductwork and run them away from the stove and see how it works before cutting into the floor. Do you have a heat vent anywhere close to the stove? Maybe use that to make a transistion piece.
Kenbig
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Pioneer LE back vent

Re: Blower noise-Pioneer LE back vent

PostBy: Kenbig On: Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:13 am

thanks, the explanation of what was done and the results sound good. I will proceed to the next step of planning and getting parts as soon as the season allows. We making good use of the stove now that the weather has turned so this might be a spring project, thank you for your helpful input.

McGiever wrote:Here is what another member here has done...

Harman Magnum Stoker Installation
Kenbig
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Pioneer LE back vent

Re: Blower noise-Pioneer LE back vent

PostBy: WNY On: Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:22 am

Good luck!! Anything is possible and many of us are pretty imaginative when it comes to ideas on improving our systems.
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Re: Blower noise-Pioneer LE back vent

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:14 am

Hey ken, welcome to the FORUM my friend. :)
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Re: Blower noise-Pioneer LE back vent

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:09 am

It's FREETOWN !!! :D :D
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