can't get enough heat

can't get enough heat

PostBy: tozz On: Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:10 pm

I have a Leisure Line Pioneer top event with a power vent
Coal-Trol is set at min 7 and max 46
baro damper mounted hoz after elbow the weight is set at 3
baro is level with the weight on the correct side
manometer reading 3 1/2 to 4 with an occasional flutter on baro
pipes are clean and the outside temp is 36
at full burn, (1 inch of ash at end of chute) the highest temp I can attain is 484 deg measured above door
Am I doing something wrong or just expecting too much?
Thank you
Paul
tozz
 

Re: can't get enough heat

PostBy: Freddy On: Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:07 pm

My way of saying we don't have enough information: If you are heating one room house that is 12 feet by 12 feet and has R-48 insulation, something is wrong. If the stove is in an open barn, you are expecting too much.

I'll venture a guess you are somewhere in between. It sounds like the stove is running about right, but without more info, such as doing a heat loss it's just hard to say. Give us an idea of how much area you are heating, how well it is (or isn't) insulated, and how much and what kind of coal you are using & I think we could help.
Freddy
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 130 (pea)
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Reading piece o' junk in the barn (rice)
Coal Size/Type: Pea size, Superior, deep mined

Re: can't get enough heat

PostBy: crazy4coal On: Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:15 pm

Is the manometer reading 3 1/2-4 or .03-.04? if it's 3 1/2 to 4 your sucking the heat out of the stove. Maybe that's why it's been so warm.
crazy4coal
 
Stove/Furnace Make: buderus
Stove/Furnace Model: logana


Re: can't get enough heat

PostBy: tozz On: Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:42 pm

I'm heating a six room 1100 sq ft home partially insulated with new windows. At these outside temps I'm burning a 5 gal pail of rice per day.
I just backed down the power vent to a reading of .025 on the manometer
Thanks
tozz
 

Re: can't get enough heat

PostBy: crazy4coal On: Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:58 pm

You should be .03-.04 on the manometer. What model manometer are you useing? A model# 25 is what you need.
crazy4coal
 
Stove/Furnace Make: buderus
Stove/Furnace Model: logana

Re: can't get enough heat

PostBy: tozz On: Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:49 pm

I'm using a Dwyr mark 2 manometer, the same model pictured in the forums. I have now adjusted the power vent to give a manometer reading of .03
Thanks
tozz
 

Re: can't get enough heat

PostBy: McGiever On: Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:05 pm

How warm is it in the room that the stove is in?

How warm is it in some of the furthest rooms?
McGiever
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: HARMAN MAGNUM
Hand Fed Coal Stove: RADIANT HOME AIR BLAST
Baseburners & Antiques: OUR GLENWOOD 111 BASEBURNER "1908"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE, NUT-STOVE / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek

Re: can't get enough heat

PostBy: WNY On: Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:09 pm

At Full burn, whats your FR (Feed Rate)? does it satisfy your thermostat? or does it constantly feed? Where is your thermostat in relation to the stove.?

Bump your max up a couple points at a time and recheck after about an hour. You an have down to 1/2" of ash at the end of the grates. As long as you are not pushing hot coals off at a max Feed rate of 99.

Sounds like its burning correctly, just depending on your house. Is there large temp. swings? You are NOT using the setback are you? Coal takes time to react, very slow, so it may take an hour or more to raise the temp 1 degree depending. the CoalTrol makes SMALL adjustments to maintain proper temps.
WNY
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker 90K, Leisure Line Hyfire I
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker, LL & CoalTrol
Stove/Furnace Model: 90K, Hyfire I, VF3000 Soon

Re: can't get enough heat

PostBy: tozz On: Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:26 pm

Feed rate is 46 at full burn with 1 inch of ash and satisifies thermostat. thermostat is 15 ft away in another room. I'll bump up f/r. I do have temp swings at times and I'm not using the setback.
Thanks for your time
tozz
 

Re: can't get enough heat

PostBy: WNY On: Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:30 pm

FR is different than MAX, feed rate is touching the Menu button 2 times? I think. It should show FR XX (XX is the actual feed rate). Feed rate is automatic depending on your MIN/MAX and temperature settings and demand for heat.

When there is the high demand for heat, the FR will increase up to 99, but takes time. Mine will NEVER get to FR99 unless its below zero outside. Then the stove is like 550 degrees.
WNY
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker 90K, Leisure Line Hyfire I
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker, LL & CoalTrol
Stove/Furnace Model: 90K, Hyfire I, VF3000 Soon

Re: can't get enough heat

PostBy: tozz On: Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:46 pm

Thank you WNY for your explanation, I'm clear on it now.
tozz
 

Re: can't get enough heat

PostBy: Freddy On: Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:02 am

You've gotten some good tips and it sounds like you are close to having things as good as can be. You might be using a bit more coal than if you're house were a bit tighter, but all in all I think you are doing OK. With the thermostat in the next room you will have some temperature swings because of lag time. The room the stove is in will swing a bit higher and lower than the setting on the 'stat. That's OK. Depending on how the house is laid out you might be better this way than any other. At this point if you are warm & comfy, leave it alone & enjoy! If you are wanting to burn less fuel, work towards better insulation and a tighter house.
Freddy
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 130 (pea)
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Reading piece o' junk in the barn (rice)
Coal Size/Type: Pea size, Superior, deep mined

Re: can't get enough heat

PostBy: tozz On: Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:52 am

Thanks Freddy
tozz