Magee & Weir

Re: Magee & Weir

PostBy: PJT On: Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:58 pm

[/quote]PJT, So the stove does have a back pipe but it doesn't have a divider/damper in it? That's always a problem because the pipes themselves are easy to find but the cast iron divider with the damper is not so easy to get. People would accidentally throw out the back pipe when it needed replacing and forget the inner divider. You can copy an existing one at a foundry if you can find one. Obviously you can run it without the divider but it's not as efficient and the stack temps will be higher, but they came both ways and the back pipe was an option.[/quote]

Thats right but Im not sure its even the correct back pipe since it is oval at the bottom but round at the top. It may be something someone just stuck on there. I was going to take a picture for you but the camera batteries died.

Do you think it would be possible to make an inner divider out of 1/8-1/4 inch steel?
PJT
 
Baseburners & Antiques: Magee Royal Oak; Glenwood Modern Oak 116
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Re: Magee & Weir

PostBy: wsherrick On: Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:05 pm

PJT wrote:
PJT, So the stove does have a back pipe but it doesn't have a divider/damper in it? That's always a problem because the pipes themselves are easy to find but the cast iron divider with the damper is not so easy to get. People would accidentally throw out the back pipe when it needed replacing and forget the inner divider. You can copy an existing one at a foundry if you can find one. Obviously you can run it without the divider but it's not as efficient and the stack temps will be higher, but they came both ways and the back pipe was an option.[/quote]

Thats right but Im not sure its even the correct back pipe since it is oval at the bottom but round at the top. It may be something someone just stuck on there. I was going to take a picture for you but the camera batteries died.

Do you think it would be possible to make an inner divider out of 1/8-1/4 inch steel?[/quote]

Ashburn has a Glenwood Modern Oak 114 with the complete back pipe. He has offered it to others to use as a copy to have castings done. Perhaps he can help you as well. I don't want to speak for him, but; you can ask.
wsherrick
 
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Re: Magee & Weir

PostBy: PJT On: Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:48 pm

Wow that would be really nice but money is a little tight right now :o and I would imagine casting costs are pretty high...wonder how hard it would be to just fabricate it out of steel...

Love your videos by the way Will keep them coming!
PJT
 
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Re: Magee & Weir

PostBy: wsherrick On: Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:27 pm

PJT wrote:Wow that would be really nice but money is a little tight right now :o and I would imagine casting costs are pretty high...wonder how hard it would be to just fabricate it out of steel...

Love your videos by the way Will keep them coming!


Thank you for the watching the videos. I want to make some about the Glenwood No 9, but; I have been working non stop for the past several months. Many times I have time to jump on here for just a minute, then the phone rings and I have to go to work. The worst is when I think I've got a chance to sleep and just as I drift off the phone rings and I have to go make the donuts. So the videos will be made at some point.
Now about the back pipe, you need to see how an original one is made. If you can figure out how to fabricate one from steel at a reasonable cost, then you would be a great help to a lot of people because many of these stoves have lost their back pipes and the originals are hard to find if they are missing.
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Re: Magee & Weir

PostBy: PJT On: Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:46 pm

well I know very little about working with steel so take all of this with grains of salt....I would think 1/4 inch thick or less steel would be thick enough for a baffle...designing the valve and sizing the baffle correctly for a tight fit inside the pipe while allowing for heat expansion would be tricky...
PJT
 
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Re: Magee & Weir

PostBy: SteveZee On: Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:59 pm

PJT wrote:well I know very little about working with steel so take all of this with grains of salt....I would think 1/4 inch thick or less steel would be thick enough for a baffle...designing the valve and sizing the baffle correctly for a tight fit inside the pipe while allowing for heat expansion would be tricky...


It's certainly possible but would be easier to cast an original. If you made it out of steel, just cut a horse shoe shape on the bottom for the gasses to pass to the other side. The hardest part would be the damper hinge pin holes and making sure the damper closed off the direct vent hole well. Also at the top, the baffle would have to fit so that the exhaust could go up over the top. Mine has a lip facing the stove barrel that closes off the top. The pipe would wrap tight around this baffle.
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Re: Magee & Weir

PostBy: PJT On: Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:28 pm

[/quote] Also at the top, the baffle would have to fit so that the exhaust could go up over the top. Mine has a lip facing the stove barrel that closes off the top. The pipe would wrap tight around this baffle.[/quote]

Cant really visualize this Steve.... :?
PJT
 
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Re: Magee & Weir

PostBy: SteveZee On: Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:05 am

PJT wrote:
Also at the top, the baffle would have to fit so that the exhaust could go up over the top. Mine has a lip facing the stove barrel that closes off the top. The pipe would wrap tight around this baffle.[/quote]

Cant really visualize this Steve.... :?[/quote]

Sorry about that PJT, I meant to say that the lip PREVENTS the exhaust from going up over the top. (could not go over the top) Hope that makes more sense. ;)
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Re: Magee & Weir

PostBy: PC 12-47E On: Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:09 am

wsherrick wrote:
Ashburn has a Glenwood Modern Oak 114 with the complete back pipe. He has offered it to others to use as a copy to have castings done. Perhaps he can help you as well. I don't want to speak for him, but; you can ask.


My Glenwwood Modern Oak 116 is missing the backpipe damper and baffle / backpipe divider also. Ashburnham55 has offered me his complete backpipe to make new castings. We are planning to have the casting done in the near future. 8-) :D I will let you know what the cost will be for the castings.
Ashburnham 55 has gone way above and beyond the call of duty !!! Thank you for helping us keep our old coal burners heating......

Eddie
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Re: Magee & Weir

PostBy: SteveZee On: Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:46 am

That's great Eddie. This is what's tremendous about the good people of this site. Even thought his is from a 114, I'll bet the the internal baffle is the same and even if it's not, will work splendidly. As long as it functions, it will do the job. What size pot does your 116 have? Is it a 14"? Looks like a good sized unit. Are you having the castings done at Tomahawk, or at Auburn stove? I've used Tomahawk and they were very good and fairly priced too. Auburn Stove Foundry in Maine states that they have allot of Glenwood original molds? Might be worth an ask if you use them, to see if they have the exact piece?
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glenwood Modern Oak 116 & Glenwood 208 C Range

Re: Magee & Weir

PostBy: PC 12-47E On: Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:01 am

SteveZee wrote:That's great Eddie. This is what's tremendous about the good people of this site.

What size pot does your 116 have? Is it a 14"? Looks like a good sized unit.

Are you having the castings done at Tomahawk, or at Auburn stove? I've used Tomahawk and they were very good and fairly priced too. Auburn Stove Foundry in Maine states that they have allot of Glenwood original molds? Might be worth an ask if you use them, to see if they have the exact piece?


Hey Steve,
This Forum does have great members :!:

The burn pot is 14" X 11" deep. :shock: I think this Glenwood will be able to heat the house I plan to build all by itself. :D
We are looking at Tomahawk for the castings.... I did not know that Auburn had lots of castings from Glenwood...They are about an hours drive for me.
Eddie
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Re: Magee & Weir

PostBy: SteveZee On: Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:01 pm

PC 12-47E wrote:
SteveZee wrote:That's great Eddie. This is what's tremendous about the good people of this site.

What size pot does your 116 have? Is it a 14"? Looks like a good sized unit.

Are you having the castings done at Tomahawk, or at Auburn stove? I've used Tomahawk and they were very good and fairly priced too. Auburn Stove Foundry in Maine states that they have allot of Glenwood original molds? Might be worth an ask if you use them, to see if they have the exact piece?


Hey Steve,
This Forum does have great members :!:

The burn pot is 14" X 11" deep. :shock: I think this Glenwood will be able to heat the house I plan to build all by itself. :D
We are looking at Tomahawk for the castings.... I did not know that Auburn had lots of castings from Glenwood...They are about an hours drive for me.
Eddie


Eddie, yep on the the auburn web site they state that they have "most" of the popular Glenwood casting originals? I'd give em a call and see what they got. The 116's that I've seen had a lever versus a twisty spring on that back pipe damper. Doesn't really matter since either will work as long as it closes off that direct out port, but thought I'd mention it anyways. Good luck.
SteveZee
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glenwood Modern Oak 116 & Glenwood 208 C Range

Re: Magee & Weir

PostBy: PJT On: Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:07 pm

[/quote]My Glenwwood Modern Oak 116 is missing the backpipe damper and baffle / backpipe divider also. Ashburnham55 has offered me his complete backpipe to make new castings. We are planning to have the casting done in the near future. 8-) :D I will let you know what the cost will be for the castings[/quote]

Thanks I will look forward to hearing the casting cost. Would the same size backpipe/split tube be usable in both a 116 and 114? Also is the tube just a normal stove pipe material or is it a heavier duty material?

Thanks again for all the help :!:
PJT
 
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Re: Magee & Weir

PostBy: PJT On: Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:09 pm

ps: Thanks for the pictures Eddie :)
PJT
 
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