Getting new AHS s260 system any inputs?

Re: Getting new AHS s260 system any inputs?

PostBy: GoodProphets On: Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:36 am

Yes, I am still open for ideas.

I am looking at the AA, but hard to find concrete info, as the site doesnt show much.

Is the auger pointing to the back of the boiler?
I would have to reposition the boiler to the side and knock out a hole in the wall.

pick shows the room next to boiler/WH/panel room
I would have to put a small wall up, but it could hold boatload of coal, about 8x8x6 ft high


Is there anything with the AA that would need to be upgraded or purchased as an option?
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Re: Getting new AHS s260 system any inputs?

PostBy: McGiever On: Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:52 pm

Speaking of "boat loads"...there are a "boat load" of pictures of Axeman Anderson boiler set-ups posted on this very site. :D

Search the site to see some A-A pictures... then ask away.

"A picture is worth a thousand words" :)
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Re: Getting new AHS s260 system any inputs?

PostBy: whistlenut On: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:52 am

The AA comes complete except for the coal bin itself. A tankless coil is the only option. They are a very fine product, right out of the box. Often imitated, NEVER duplicated! Don't ask me the differences right now, just take my word for it. Over the years, you will come to understand that the old timers knew a great deal more about practical machinery than you think. I know where there a half dozen...or more waiting for their second life of service. Remember this if nothing else: All that glitters isn't necessarily Gold! You worry about the literature? It isn't important. If you drool over flashy pamphlet and website, you have my deepest sympathy. :shock: :shock:
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Re: Getting new AHS s260 system any inputs?

PostBy: GoodProphets On: Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:38 am

Thanks whistle!

Yes there are many other choices...one of them is the AHS

I am already chatting with other folks here, and they are helping me.
They are helping me to decide on what works best for me.
They are not putting down any manufacturer.
I thought about PM'ing you, as you yourself list having an AHS in your arsenal,
actually I did PM you, but deleted it.

What did AHS do to you?
Or what did they do to AA?
If it has to do with patents, why is there no pending court battle?
If there was no patent on AA, then USA offers free enterprise and designs are just designs.
The reason our technology grows and improves is because they make something better.

the AHS use buck and pea. not bad since rice seems to be hard to come by.
What happens in 3 years when more coal users are there?
Regs are putting the coal companies out, because they need for you to buy oil, so they can get
that hefty tax. And also keep us dependent on foreign supplements. Makes our country vulnerable
to collapse.

how is everyone trying to help me, except whistlenut?
puffbacks, yes I have read that all stokers do to some degree.
Flashy websites, no but concrete specs and sorts.
AA's seems to work great for the long run, but why isnt there a dedicated subforum
for me to search and read? Instead I have to spend hours searching which is time consuming.
Can you help me rather than shoot down a particular company?
That would be very appreciated in this day and age, as a neighbor.

efm is in my sights, along with AHS and AA
Sorry, not trying to bash anyone or anything here, just I have been confused about things after reading some of these replies.

Thanks
Rob
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Re: Getting new AHS s260 system any inputs?

PostBy: Coalfire On: Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:47 am

Whistlenut has been around the block and put a bunch of coal through differant burners. That is just his way of saying keep your options open. AHS has a great website, the others make there living on word of mouth. Remember coal is old and to some dirty, if you are going to burn it you already have enough common sense to see through the glitz of a website.

The only thing you see on this forum about AHS is puffbacks(ok that was a little harsh) but the others have all been around for along time.


Take what WN says and sort it out, straight shooter no strings attached ;)


Eric
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Re: Getting new AHS s260 system any inputs?

PostBy: Rob R. On: Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:31 am

Coalfire wrote: AHS has a great website, the others make there living on word of mouth.


GoodProphets wrote:AA's seems to work great for the long run, but why isnt there a dedicated subforum for me to search and read? Instead I have to spend hours searching which is time consuming.


Probably the same reason Keystoker doesn't have their own forum...they have been in the game a long time and expect the installer/dealer to know what they're doing. The great part of burning coal is if you you come to this forum and ask an intelligent question, someone will answer it...each brand of boiler has its own following.

A friend of mine runs a Coalgun boiler, I am an EFM guy, my neighbors run Keystokers, the local coal dealer is a longtime AA man...you know what we all have in common? Our houses are very comfortable and we aren't going broke buying fuel oil or propane. :) I suggest you research the boilers sold by your local dealers/installers, and pick the boiler that best fits your needs based on capacity, the basement door, and any other requirements you might have.
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Re: Getting new AHS s260 system any inputs?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:47 pm

GoodProphets wrote:If it has to do with patents, why is there no pending court battle?
If there was no patent on AA, then USA offers free enterprise and designs are just designs.
The reason our technology grows and improves is because they make something better.

The Axeman was introduced to the world in 1946, the result of a collaborative effort at the PENN State IIRC. The Eshland, a copy of the Axeman appeared much later. I believe in the 60s. That company was absorbed/bought by AHS a decade or so ago. Someone correct me if I got any of that wrong, I'm getting old and things are getting fuzzy. :)
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Re: Getting new AHS s260 system any inputs?

PostBy: ValterBorges On: Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:25 pm

You want a bin or top feed pea auger an insulated aa, and thermocouple ashing get an ahs.
You want a side auger get an aa.

Compare the prices and figure out which one will work better for you, both are good units.
Im almost sure can insulate an aa, and add a fuji controller and have an ahs clone.
Or take an Ahs and add an AA Auger, and have an aa automated clone.
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Re: Getting new AHS s260 system any inputs?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:33 pm

ValterBorges wrote:Im almost sure can insulate an aa,

You don't want to insulate an AA or AHS, the Axeman manual states clearly not to. They give off very little heat but risk overtemp if insulated.
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Re: Getting new AHS s260 system any inputs?

PostBy: ValterBorges On: Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:40 pm

Ahs comes insulated.
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Re: Getting new AHS s260 system any inputs?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:49 pm

ValterBorges wrote:Ahs comes insulated.

Is the insulation against the boiler's body?
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Re: Getting new AHS s260 system any inputs?

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:52 pm

There are a few axemans with a cover on them, weither their is insulation underneath the skin ?
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Re: Getting new AHS s260 system any inputs?

PostBy: GoodProphets On: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:41 pm

After getting some help from Rob R, we figured the df520 will be enough to do the job.
efm underrates the 520, and after reading some threads, it assures that figure.
We calculated what my rads can put out and it falls within the limits of the 520.

Adding that my basement setup might not be able to handle the AHS hopper and auger height with headroom and such.

Not to derail off the tracks but many thanks to all that posted and helped.

Thanks
Rob
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Re: Getting new AHS s260 system any inputs?

PostBy: ValterBorges On: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:55 pm

coaledsweat wrote:
ValterBorges wrote:Ahs comes insulated.

Is the insulation against the boiler's body?


Yes, the oval shape on the long sides is wrapped in insulation and a thin square shell all around.

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Re: Getting new AHS s260 system any inputs?

PostBy: dchartt On: Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:12 am

ahs offers the auger fed setup also
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