Cold Night...How Hot Is Your Stove??? Let Her Rip

 
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Post by Smokeyja » Mon. Jan. 16, 2012 5:44 am

windago wrote:well the weather channel says its 3 degrees out side. well it might be at there house but not mine. ive got ("0"). this winter is going nuts last week it was 40 to 50 this week 0 to 10. well I guess winter is here and it came with vengeance. got no water in the kitchen pipes froze. so I know its cold. some day I will insulate this house. but the stove is going like a hound from hell. ive got 575 on the temp gauge I set it a little higher last night.
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Do you ever worry about them bursting? Also have you thought of heat tracer on the pipes? It's a little wire that keeps the pipe warm enough not to freeze you just wrap it around all the pipes and plug it in. Or just leave you faucets slightly open so they trickle and they won't freeze.


 
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Post by windago » Mon. Jan. 16, 2012 5:52 am

well I didn't think that the weather man was going to be this wrong. but I normally have the water running just a little on the really cold days so this doesn't happen. I put in pex pipe when they broke five years ago and the seem to freeze and thaw with out problems. its just the kitchen sink that freezes. and its only once or twice a year that it happens. the wife wants me to redo the kitchen this year. well if I get a boiler it might be next year for the kitchen. weighing the decisions of kitchen or heat for the winter.

wife, kitchen doesn't think long term.
me, boiler long term investment.

 
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Post by Smokeyja » Mon. Jan. 16, 2012 5:58 am

windago wrote:well I didn't think that the weather man was going to be this wrong. but I normally have the water running just a little on the really cold days so this doesn't happen. I put in pex pipe when they broke five years ago and the seem to freeze and thaw with out problems. its just the kitchen sink that freezes. and its only once or twice a year that it happens. the wife wants me to redo the kitchen this year. well if I get a boiler it might be next year for the kitchen. weighing the decisions of kitchen or heat for the winter.

wife, kitchen doesn't think long term.
me, boiler long term investment.
I'm glad you mentioned pex because you are the first person to tell me about it's freezing capabilities. My house was redone to all pex lines as well a few years back and I always worry about them freezing. Pex is awesome stuff! The boiler idea sounds great. That first ;)

 
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Post by coalnewbie » Mon. Jan. 16, 2012 6:04 am

Man for all the times you have said that and all the stoves you have I thought you would have put in a boiler by now.


Four heating zones three hundred feet apart each about 16,000 sq ft total some barely insulated - this is a big farm (by NYS standards). Underground piping - yeah, right through the granite ledge on the hill, care to bring some dynamite over. Ever thought you may be just plain wrong and that everybody's heat needs are unique. I am trying to learn here but obviously not from you. Psst, I am still buying stoves and trying but thx to coal we are getting profitable. Oh well, off to Lowes to get more $9 stove pipe. Got to be careful here as last time I went past the copper aisle and saw the price of 8' of 1" copper pipe and fell on the floor in a dead faint - yes right, that's a good answer. You hydronics guys needs to be more flexible in your thinking.

 
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Post by coalnewbie » Mon. Jan. 16, 2012 6:28 am

And don't you be pickin on him CF, he's real vulnerable right now. Mother in Law is gone.
Yeah Fred, I really miss her since she left for Miami. She wanted to come up for Xmas but sadly her apartment was now filled with shaving bags and there was no room. :D :D :D. I was crushed. She offered to sleep between us but I declined - I think she was serious. Ol' buzzard is the polite term here.

 
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Post by coalnewbie » Mon. Jan. 16, 2012 6:34 am

Oh well, enough off topic stuff. My AnthraKing was flat out last night. Fire door 575F - true with laser, not the garbage heat dial which read 650F. Exhaust to powervent 140F, that's b4 the baro. 14" round take off, 110F leading to 25' H&C flexible duct (R 6.0) back feeding the A/C circuit. Just spectacular heat distribution - love that coal.... and I did not have to buy one piece of copper. I feel like a heretic at church.
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Post by Rob R. » Mon. Jan. 16, 2012 6:36 am

coalnewbie wrote:Exhaust to powervent 140F
Impressive.


 
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Post by coalnewbie » Mon. Jan. 16, 2012 6:47 am

coalnewbie wrote:
Exhaust to powervent 140F

Impressive.
Yes and with an Aprilaire 5000 leading to a MERV 12 filter the air just feels sooo good. Try putting that into numbers. Ever thought of measuring the dust off of baseboard - yuk....... nobody will ever talk to me again - except Fred and that doesn't count.

 
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Post by freetown fred » Mon. Jan. 16, 2012 6:58 am

OUCH! :cry2: :shots:
coalnewbie wrote:
coalnewbie wrote:
Exhaust to powervent 140F

Impressive.
Yes and with an Aprilaire 5000 leading to a MERV 12 filter the air just feels sooo good. Try putting that into numbers. Ever thought of measuring the dust off of baseboard - yuk....... nobody will ever talk to me again - except Fred and that doesn't count.

 
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Post by Poconoeagle » Mon. Jan. 16, 2012 7:01 am

dont worry Fred, he said you don't have to talk to him....

just use sign language :D :idea: :devil:

 
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Post by SteveZee » Mon. Jan. 16, 2012 7:56 am

windago wrote:well I didn't think that the weather man was going to be this wrong. but I normally have the water running just a little on the really cold days so this doesn't happen. I put in pex pipe when they broke five years ago and the seem to freeze and thaw with out problems. its just the kitchen sink that freezes. and its only once or twice a year that it happens. the wife wants me to redo the kitchen this year. well if I get a boiler it might be next year for the kitchen. weighing the decisions of kitchen or heat for the winter.

wife, kitchen doesn't think long term.
me, boiler long term investment.
Mine used to do the same thing. It was just the kitchen sink because it's up against an outside wall. I got a can of that spray foam crap and filled in everything I could see including the pipe holes coming through the floor. Then I got this little grey foam pipe insulating kit. You just cut it to the length you want, and it splits open with a thumbnail. Pop it over the copper pipes and some trusty duct tape. Has never frozen again since I did that.
Also, after that, I bought a few of those foam pipe insulation kits and went down in the cellar. Did every pipe I could see. I also have a heat tape thats plugged in Oct-Apr where the pipe comes in the cellar from the well. Been 5 years and no probs.

Woke this morning and dragged my butt out of bed. it's 1 degree out. House is again a very decent 68 (Everyone elses 75 ;). The kitchen cookstove was a quite ashy and took an hour to get back to snuff but the Herald was perc'in along at 600 as its been the last 3 days. No recovery time with that one since I got the tending it likes best down pat.

 
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Post by Smokeyja » Mon. Jan. 16, 2012 8:23 am

SteveZee wrote:
windago wrote:well I didn't think that the weather man was going to be this wrong. but I normally have the water running just a little on the really cold days so this doesn't happen. I put in pex pipe when they broke five years ago and the seem to freeze and thaw with out problems. its just the kitchen sink that freezes. and its only once or twice a year that it happens. the wife wants me to redo the kitchen this year. well if I get a boiler it might be next year for the kitchen. weighing the decisions of kitchen or heat for the winter.

wife, kitchen doesn't think long term.
me, boiler long term investment.
Mine used to do the same thing. It was just the kitchen sink because it's up against an outside wall. I got a can of that spray foam crap and filled in everything I could see including the pipe holes coming through the floor. Then I got this little grey foam pipe insulating kit. You just cut it to the length you want, and it splits open with a thumbnail. Pop it over the copper pipes and some trusty duct tape. Has never frozen again since I did that.
Also, after that, I bought a few of those foam pipe insulation kits and went down in the cellar. Did every pipe I could see. I also have a heat tape thats plugged in Oct-Apr where the pipe comes in the cellar from the well. Been 5 years and no probs.

Woke this morning and dragged my butt out of bed. it's 1 degree out. House is again a very decent 68 (Everyone elses 75 ;). The kitchen cookstove was a quite ashy and took an hour to get back to snuff but the Herald was perc'in along at 600 as its been the last 3 days. No recovery time with that one since I got the tending it likes best down pat.
Steve at least your whole house is 68 right? ;) I might be in the 70's upstairs and in the living room. But my downstairs kitchen, dining room and bathroom was 50... It's real fun walking in that cold room to make coffee :taz:

Your house might still be set up like this and mine is as well. These older houses were meant to consolidate heat in rooms so almost every room has a door. I have a door on every room except the kitchen but the hinges are there still. I need to go to the salvage yard and buy another old door. I am goin to cap off the flue upstairs in the second chimney so I can Burn a stove in the dining room and one in the kitchen ;)

 
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Post by MURDOC1 » Mon. Jan. 16, 2012 9:37 am

Stove temp??? Ya got me!!! No thermometers here, just the Coal-trol thermostats... Set at 75 degrees and 75 it is... Running at an FR of 66% when I left for work at midnight and just stepped down to 65% as I was watching it just a few moments ago... I never hesitate to put my bare hand anywhere on the stove pipe, it is hot but never near enough to burn before or after the baro... Just fill the hopper, change out ash pans and bye-bye for at least 24 hours... Old Paul and Neil over there are some smart cookies, they're alright in my book...

 
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Post by jpete » Mon. Jan. 16, 2012 10:06 am

windago wrote:well I didn't think that the weather man was going to be this wrong. but I normally have the water running just a little on the really cold days so this doesn't happen. I put in pex pipe when they broke five years ago and the seem to freeze and thaw with out problems. its just the kitchen sink that freezes. and its only once or twice a year that it happens. the wife wants me to redo the kitchen this year. well if I get a boiler it might be next year for the kitchen. weighing the decisions of kitchen or heat for the winter.

wife, kitchen doesn't think long term.
me, boiler long term investment.
Ever thought about a circulator? http://www.lowes.com/pd_77814-18701-500899_429485 ... facetInfo=

Expensive, but cheaper than a kitchen remodel. Or maybe rig something up with a regular Taco furnace circulator and a temp probe outside so it kicks on when the outside temp gets below 32*.

 
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Post by SteveZee » Mon. Jan. 16, 2012 1:08 pm

Smokeyja wrote:
SteveZee wrote: Mine used to do the same thing. It was just the kitchen sink because it's up against an outside wall. I got a can of that spray foam crap and filled in everything I could see including the pipe holes coming through the floor. Then I got this little grey foam pipe insulating kit. You just cut it to the length you want, and it splits open with a thumbnail. Pop it over the copper pipes and some trusty duct tape. Has never frozen again since I did that.
Also, after that, I bought a few of those foam pipe insulation kits and went down in the cellar. Did every pipe I could see. I also have a heat tape thats plugged in Oct-Apr where the pipe comes in the cellar from the well. Been 5 years and no probs.

Woke this morning and dragged my butt out of bed. it's 1 degree out. House is again a very decent 68 (Everyone elses 75 ;). The kitchen cookstove was a quite ashy and took an hour to get back to snuff but the Herald was perc'in along at 600 as its been the last 3 days. No recovery time with that one since I got the tending it likes best down pat.
Steve at least your whole house is 68 right? ;) I might be in the 70's upstairs and in the living room. But my downstairs kitchen, dining room and bathroom was 50... It's real fun walking in that cold room to make coffee :taz:

Your house might still be set up like this and mine is as well. These older houses were meant to consolidate heat in rooms so almost every room has a door. I have a door on every room except the kitchen but the hinges are there still. I need to go to the salvage yard and buy another old door. I am goin to cap off the flue upstairs in the second chimney so I can Burn a stove in the dining room and one in the kitchen ;)
Josh, Yep it was 68 downstairs at my house this morn with a 1 degree outside temp. Mine flows pretty well and it's actually about 5-8 degrees warmer downstairs than up stairs. Works well for me as I like to sleep cooler. When I come down in the morning I feel the differance instantly coming down the steps. Lovely coming into a warm kitchen in the morning!


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