Coal Burning Safety

Re: Coal Burning Safety

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:50 pm

Wood'nCoal wrote:
gambler wrote:Instead of sand I would use flour. I think it would be a little easier to clean up.


Sodium Bicarbonate (Baking Soda) is a better idea. Actually the "bag" the fire dept. drops down your chimney is just a large amount of baking soda. It smothers the fire. I know this for a fact (been there, done that).

Avoid the dry chem. fire extinguisher, if possible. That will REALLY make a mess.


Can you buy a large enough quantity of baking soda in bulk somewhere?
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Re: Coal Burning Safety

PostBy: gambler On: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:24 pm

Wood'nCoal wrote:
gambler wrote:Instead of sand I would use flour. I think it would be a little easier to clean up.


Sodium Bicarbonate (Baking Soda) is a better idea. Actually the "bag" the fire dept. drops down your chimney is just a large amount of baking soda. It smothers the fire. I know this for a fact (been there, done that).

Avoid the dry chem. fire extinguisher, if possible. That will REALLY make a mess.


I would have to agree!
gambler
 
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Re: Coal Burning Safety

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:50 pm

Manufacturers or Distributors of chemicals to industry should have Bicarb. in large quantities (50 lb. bags and such). I'll try to check into it this week and let you know. I should have a large bag myself, although I'd end up using it to clean bugs off the front of my truck and for indigestion. It doesn't have to be USP grade since it's not going to be consumed, that should make it cheaper.
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Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert


Re: Coal Burning Safety

PostBy: Yanche On: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:08 pm

Wood'nCoal wrote:Manufacturers or Distributors of chemicals to industry should have Bicarb. in large quantities (50 lb. bags and such). I'll try to check into it this week and let you know. I should have a large bag myself, although I'd end up using it to clean bugs off the front of my truck and for indigestion. It doesn't have to be USP grade since it's not going to be consumed, that should make it cheaper.
My local volunteer fire department buys Sodium Bicarbonate in 50 lb bags and then repackages in smaller size bags. This is what gets thrown down your chimney or in your stove to smother the fire. They avoid doing anything to the chimney if possible. They don't want the liability of a cracked chimney tile. They will not use water in a chimney because it's sure to crack the tiles. Of course all bets are off if the house is burning down.
Yanche
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Alternate Heating Systems S-130
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Re: Coal Burning Safety

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:57 pm

That's what went down my chimney when I set it on fire. The creosote began to fall and blocked the flue. After it was out they dropped the weight down it and then we shoveled it all out the cleanout. That's one way to get all the creosote out! :blowup:
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Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
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Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: Coal Burning Safety

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:23 pm

Yanche wrote:
Wood'nCoal wrote:Manufacturers or Distributors of chemicals to industry should have Bicarb. in large quantities (50 lb. bags and such). I'll try to check into it this week and let you know. I should have a large bag myself, although I'd end up using it to clean bugs off the front of my truck and for indigestion. It doesn't have to be USP grade since it's not going to be consumed, that should make it cheaper.
My local volunteer fire department buys Sodium Bicarbonate in 50 lb bags and then repackages in smaller size bags. This is what gets thrown down your chimney or in your stove to smother the fire. They avoid doing anything to the chimney if possible. They don't want the liability of a cracked chimney tile. They will not use water in a chimney because it's sure to crack the tiles. Of course all bets are off if the house is burning down.


Bicarb. is available from swimming pool supply outlets, usually in 10 to 50 lb. packages, it's one of the chemicals used to adjust PH in pool water. It should be cheaper there then buying 50 little boxes at the grocery store.
Wood'nCoal
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: Coal Burning Safety

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:24 pm

Yanche wrote:
Wood'nCoal wrote:Manufacturers or Distributors of chemicals to industry should have Bicarb. in large quantities (50 lb. bags and such). I'll try to check into it this week and let you know. I should have a large bag myself, although I'd end up using it to clean bugs off the front of my truck and for indigestion. It doesn't have to be USP grade since it's not going to be consumed, that should make it cheaper.
My local volunteer fire department buys Sodium Bicarbonate in 50 lb bags and then repackages in smaller size bags. This is what gets thrown down your chimney or in your stove to smother the fire. They avoid doing anything to the chimney if possible. They don't want the liability of a cracked chimney tile. They will not use water in a chimney because it's sure to crack the tiles. Of course all bets are off if the house is burning down.


Bicarb. is available from swimming pool supply outlets, usually in 10 to 50 lb. packages, it's one of the chemicals used to adjust PH in pool water. It should be cheaper there then buying 50 little boxes at the grocery store.
Wood'nCoal
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: Coal Burning Safety

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:51 pm

It may be cheaper if you ask for soda ash. :)
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Re: Coal Burning Safety

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:09 pm

"Bicarb. is available from swimming pool supply outlets, usually in 10 to 50 lb. packages, it's one of the chemicals used to adjust PH in pool water. It should be cheaper there then buying 50 little boxes at the grocery store."


Having owned a pool for many years, trust me.....If it's sold as a swimming pool supply, it wont be cheap~!
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Re: Coal Burning Safety

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:17 pm

Devil5052 wrote:"Bicarb. is available from swimming pool supply outlets, usually in 10 to 50 lb. packages, it's one of the chemicals used to adjust PH in pool water. It should be cheaper there then buying 50 little boxes at the grocery store."


Having owned a pool for many years, trust me.....If it's sold as a swimming pool supply, it wont be cheap~!


Homeowner pool supplies have quite a mark-up, most of the chemicals are sold in small packages.
Commercial pool supplies are a little more reasonable, due to the larger packages. Can I interest you in a tractor-trailer full of pallets of Soda Ash?

I see a possible business opportunity here, the next ride to PA to get coal, I'll bring some 50 lb. bags of Bicarb with me!
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Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
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Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: Coal Burning Safety

PostBy: Yanche On: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:46 pm

Is it the same soda ash used to sandblast auto bodies down to bare metal?
Last edited by Yanche on Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Coal Burning Safety

PostBy: Matthaus On: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:41 pm

This peaked my interest and I found this little tidbit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_carbonate

Maybe we can put together a coal burning safety kit and sell it to fund our activities! :lol:
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Re: Coal Burning Safety

PostBy: New York Bear On: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:01 pm

You can also get it at farm feed stores, quite reasonable.
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Re: Coal Burning Safety

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:28 pm

It's actually Sodium Bicarbonate, which differs chemically from Sodium Carbonate (Soda Ash). Soda ash is a relatively strong alkaline, Sodium Bicarbonate is a milder chemical than Soda Ash. Bicarb is the product used to remove paint.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_Bicarbonate
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Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: Coal Burning Safety

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:37 pm

I picked up a 50 lb. sack of Sodium Bicarbonate at the wholesaler I deal with, it's still in my truck. I'll empty it into a 5 gallon pail with a lid, and store it at the top of the cellar stairs for quick access if I ever have to extinguish either the coal or wood stove. I suppose I can use the small shovel I load the stove with to shovel it onto the fire. Or into a glass of water for my indigestion! :annoyed:
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Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert