building a block chimney over a radiant poured floor

Re: building a block chimney over a radiant poured floor

PostBy: PC 12-47E On: Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:20 pm

CapeCoaler wrote:Or find the pictures of the install...
They did take pictures...
What no inspection when the line was put in?
So how much land goes with the 'cough, cough' Barn...
Will the drive under be used as a shop?
Is there to be a second Barn...
Will this be a stop on the 'underground coal railroad'...


1.5 Acres
The drive under / basement will be used for boats, "Stuff" and Anthracite TOYS.... :lol:
No second barn at this point. ( This purchase is fueled by divorce. ) :secret: :out: :beer:
Yes, This will be a stop for the underground coal forum etc !!!!
PC 12-47E
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Estate Heatrola, Jotul 507

Re: building a block chimney over a radiant poured floor

PostBy: PC 12-47E On: Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:28 pm

009to090 wrote:No need to dig it up, just pull the permit from the town! I would fight that request....
Yep, might as well dig a well, then dig up that water line, " but thats a very deep subject" :mrgreen: :angel: :up:



LOL

Chris, Give me a call.

Sending a PM
PC 12-47E
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Estate Heatrola, Jotul 507

Re: building a block chimney over a radiant poured floor

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:33 pm

Been there done that...
Divorce that is...
Much better the second time...
Twins on the way...
Of the baby kind... ;)
The Barn looks like a good starting new kind of place...
With the big 4 flue chimney only 13 off the front...
Future addidions will give it that been there for a while look...
CapeCoaler
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: want AA130
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine BS#4, Harman MKII, Hitzer 503,...
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Stove


Re: building a block chimney over a radiant poured floor

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:10 pm

I suspect not much of the permitting kind of place...
Well won't be cheep because it will be deep...
But digging up and replacing the Town Water line... :shock:
CapeCoaler
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: want AA130
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine BS#4, Harman MKII, Hitzer 503,...
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Stove

Re: building a block chimney over a radiant poured floor

PostBy: PC 12-47E On: Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:31 pm

CapeCoaler wrote:Been there done that...
Divorce that is...
The Barn looks like a good starting new kind of place...

With the big 4 flue chimney only 13 off the front...


Now your talking!!!!
CapeCoaler wrote:
I suspect not much of the permitting kind of place...

But digging up and replacing the Town Water line... :shock:


You have that right....
PC 12-47E
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Estate Heatrola, Jotul 507

Re: building a block chimney over a radiant poured floor

PostBy: PC 12-47E On: Wed May 16, 2012 7:43 pm

LsFarm wrote:I'd do this:

Run the hot water and map the pex locations.
Cut core sample holes as suggested, inspect the core of concrete, and check for well compressed substrate sand/gravel.
Drill 4-6 similar cores, fill with concrete filled tubes, make these pilings part of a pad supporting the chimney..

OR go with whistlenut's suggestion, just put the chimney on an outside wall and live with the compromises of a non-central chimney.

OR if you feel lucky, just put up the chimney..

When I poured my heated slab in my 40'x60' shop, I made two pads, with deeper concrete and extra rebar. I think the pads are 8" deep and the
rest of the floor 5-6" thick. I used 5bag mix and wire reinforcing mesh to tie the tubing down and to create the grid of tubing.
On these pads i installed my above ground car/truck hoist, I've had 12K on the hoist several times.

IF you spread out the load, as suggested you will have a lot of surface area to carry the load, and as suggested, figure out how much your chimney will
weigh.


Greg L
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whistlenut wrote:I sure would sleep better knowing coal was heating my home than a 12K condensing propane boiler! Eddie, I also like Greg's proposal (Hell,he started the damned rodeo and has been lucky enough to not have broken too many bones)....map out the pex grid (should be 12" OC in the middle, however who knows if they made criss-cross diagonal runs where you want the chimney. If you can locate the the grid, I'd core as large a hole as you could in a grid pattern between the layout you find, remove the sand/gravel/stone under the slab area with a post hole digger until your blisters bleed,(or if yuo know a guy with a Vactor Truck, no blisters) then install L rebar down to terra firma through those holes and pour a 4000 lb pea stone mix and use a vibrator to consolidate the incoming crete. That will make multiple piers that are reinforced and support whatever void you create while digging the grid out. If you stay inside, this will work VERY well, be cost effective and perhaps you will never touch a pex line.

4000 PSI structural columns, assuming a 3000 or 3500 psi floor....perhaps 1/4" 6" by 6" mesh, perhaps #10 mesh...... When we do sono-tubes, we pour a 2' by 2' footing, add 4 'j's 12"l's by 3' long, tie 6" 3/8" hoops at 12" OC vertically, and I can assure you it they want to move that little tube later it will come out as a unit. You can hit it with a dozer or excavator,and it will stay there. Anyone out there ever seem tubes poured the correct way.....didn't think so. This is residential and lite commercial'
Commercial is #7 bar 6" OC and # 5 hoops 6" OC. dynamite will fracture it but not remove it.........so I think you have the solution at hand. Get some antifreeze piped through it if you are doing it this time of year, or wait for warmer weather. The coring guys aren't real busy for the next 8 weeks. :idea:


Wow, This has been a very long road....But today I closed on the 30' X 40' Barn... :dancing: :clap: :up: :cheers: We now have a Anthracite Coal Barn.
Greg, We are going to use your idea and map & core the floor.
W.N., Thanks for all your info and help with this.
I have a Burnham oil boiler that will vent through the basement wall and the mason will build a two flue 8" X 8" block chimney up through the center of the building.
I will heat the building with 2 coal stoves this winter and try to buy a used coal boiler as long as my $$$ hold out....

Eddie
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Re: building a block chimney over a radiant poured floor

PostBy: 009to090 On: Wed May 16, 2012 8:29 pm

PC 12-47E wrote:Wow, This has been a very long road....But today I closed on the 30' X 40' Barn... We now have a Anthracite Coal Barn.
Eddie

Now the fun begins :D :cheers:
009to090
 
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: DVC-500 x 2
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Re: building a block chimney over a radiant poured floor

PostBy: grumpy On: Wed May 16, 2012 9:15 pm

I would not do anything until you pressure test the Pex, have you done that?
grumpy