Wall pass through?

Wall pass through?

PostBy: pariceburner On: Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:24 am

Ok so I need to pass through a non-load bearing combustible wall to tie into my existing chimney. What kind of options do i have? Thanks in advance. My stove is a harman super mag.
Can I use something like this



http://www.acehardwareoutlet.com/productdetails.aspx?sku=4206710
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
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Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
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Re: Wall pass through?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:28 am

As long as I could run a clay thimble through that & then my pipe through the thimble, I'd feel comfortable.
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Re: Wall pass through?

PostBy: pariceburner On: Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:45 am

freetown fred wrote:As long as I could run a clay thimble through that & then my pipe through the thimble, I'd feel comfortable.


So your saying maybe a 10" wall piece with an 8" clay thimble and then my 6" stove pipe through that. Probably pack some insulation around each layer as well.
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Re: Wall pass through?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:46 am

Not sure if 6"pipe will run through 6" clay thimble--if so, you can drop down a size on everything & still be safe. If not, yep, you got it. :D
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Re: Wall pass through?

PostBy: Freddy On: Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:42 am

I used to have a power venter for my oil burner. At some point we did away with it and built a chimney. The boiler now had to go through a wall. They tore out a 30 inch hole and bricked it all in with the stove pipe in the center of the new brick wall. I was told that it was either that or metal bestus.
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Re: Wall pass through?

PostBy: windago On: Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:34 am

you have this option too.
http://www.olympiachimney.com/products/cat/VCAA/VCAWPT/VA-WP

this is going to be the best choice for looks and safety. its up there on price and other things you might need to adapt to what pipe you have now.
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Re: Wall pass through?

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:22 am

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Re: Wall pass through?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:37 am

PE, He's going into an existing chimney I beleive?? Ball park, what was the price tag on your GRETLE chimney set-up. :(
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Re: Wall pass through?

PostBy: pariceburner On: Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:25 am

Thank you all. Great info. I did read about the brick wall but I was thinking there had to be something cheaper and easier than building a brick wall. I really like the wall pass through. But have some questions.

windago wrote:you have this option too.
http://www.olympiachimney.com/products/cat/VCAA/VCAWPT/VA-WP

this is going to be the best choice for looks and safety. its up there on price and other things you might need to adapt to what pipe you have now.

What is the difference between this one and the one I posted previously? And is there a difference in pipe between the class a and double walled black pipe. An with the one you sent me would i need a clay thimble inside that and then my stove pipe through the clay or just my stove pipe through that wall piece?

Poconoeagle wrote:heres what i did..

Getting Gretel Going...green Jotul507


Yes Im going into an existing chimney. The pipe is currently still hooked to the oil burner. So as soon as I get all my piping and my wall pass trough figured out and go get some coal, I'm still stuck using the devils water(heating oil). When the time comes I am going to disconnect the pipe from my oil burner and connect my coal stove pipe to that existing chimney pipe.
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Re: Wall pass through?

PostBy: titleist1 On: Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:10 pm

My guess on the difference between the Olympia and the Ace hardware would be the material it's made of. SS versus ?? Also the Olympia would be set up to connect to their exterior insulated SS chimney components.

The 2" clearance from interior pipe to exterior sleeve on the pass through is what you are looking for and the Ace has that. Since it is an interior wall I don't think you need the insulation around the exterior sleeve. I don't think the temps on that exterior sleeve will get too warm to touch it. You may need to replace the Ace pass through every other year or so because it will deteriorate just like a section of single wall black flue pipe would. The Olympia may last many, many years longer. I have a SS Olympia thimble connector going through my basement block wall that has been installed since 1992 and is still in great shape.

I have the Olympia pass through on the Harman mag in my workshop going through an exterior wall, installed last winter. Prior to the pass through, because of proximity to the ceiling, I have the 6" flue pipe passing through a 8" single wall flue pipe spaced 1" away. The 8" never gets close to being too hot to touch, it stays pleasantly warm. The distribution air duct gets much hotter than the sleeve around the exhaust pipe.
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Re: Wall pass through?

PostBy: CoalUserWannabe On: Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:14 pm

there is no way I would use a clay thimble ! it only conducts heat.

Instead fill in the space between the 8 inch hole and the 6 inch with hi temp insulation.

the clay thimbles were mainly used because they don't crack under the heat, but clay is a heat conductive, and guess what you are trying to keep away from the structure ? HEAT

Cheers

Johnny
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Re: Wall pass through?

PostBy: titleist1 On: Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:33 pm

update/correction...
I mis-read the Ace write up...
It looks like your 6" pipe will fit through the 8" inside sleeve so the pass through should not degrade since the exhaust gas will not touch the pass through.

Simply space your 6" away from the 8" by 1" with a metal spacer, fiberglass, etc...anything non-combustible and you should be good to go.
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Re: Wall pass through?

PostBy: MURDOC1 On: Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:13 pm

Exactly what type stove pipe are you trying to pass through the combustible wall??? Single wall, double wall, or class A dual wall??? This makes all the difference in the world my friend...
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Re: Wall pass through?

PostBy: pariceburner On: Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:05 pm

MURDOC1 wrote:Exactly what type stove pipe are you trying to pass through the combustible wall??? Single wall, double wall, or class A dual wall??? This makes all the difference in the world my friend...


I'm not sure I don't have any pipe yet. Just the stove. What kind of pipe should I use? I'll post pics then of my exact setup to see what you guys thin would work the best.
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Re: Wall pass through?

PostBy: titleist1 On: Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:56 pm

I would get the 6" single wall black flue pipe and the Ace pass through since you are running it into an existing chimney. Make sure it is sloped up toward the chimney thimble. Male end goes toward the chimney, three screws at each joint securing it. I would recommend getting a manometer and installing it so you can monitor your draft. 2 or 3 CO alarms would be a good idea also!

The black single wall will not last forever, I get about 2 to 3 years out of mine depending on how well I clean it at the end of the season. If you remove it from the thimble for the summer it should stay drier and not rust out as fast. You will get fly ash build up in any horizontal section of flue pipe. It would be useful to use a T that is capped off rather than a 90* so you can remove the cap and vacuum out the horizontal run through the winter. You will have to determine how often that is necessary in your set up, each is a little different. I vacuum mine out about every 6 weeks of running hard. Haven't been running hard this year and there was barely 1/2" of ash in my horizontal since Halloween. I vacuumed it out anyway this past weekend.
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman Mag Stoker (old style) one in basement, one in workshop
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