Need advise about drafting issue

Need advise about drafting issue

PostBy: mprov On: Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:12 pm

I need advice on wher to install my manometer.i am having draft problems this year.I have burning for about one year and never hooked up my manometer(very stupid ) I came home from work the other day and I had moisture in my hopper and my co detector was reading a number of 35, but never went off. Ended up in the ER with my wife and step daughter, needless to say she is now petrified to use the stove again. I hear there is a power venter that can be used, but I don't know much about it. My wife would feel safer with that option, not sure if that's the solution. Any thoughts??
mprov
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: leasure line pocono 110
Coal Size/Type: rice
Stove/Furnace Make: leisure line
Stove/Furnace Model: pocono


Re: Need advise about drafting issue

PostBy: WNY On: Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:35 am

Also, if you have a CoalTrol on the stove, raise your MIN a bit, if you are at 6 or 8, raise a couple points and check it, that will raise the IDLE temps up and hopefully help increase your draft. I think I have mine at 10 or 12.

and Get your Draft Gauge Hooked up. That is the ONLY way to tell your correct draft draft.

Hopefully you have your CO Detectors working properly too!
WNY
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker 90K, Leisure Line Hyfire I
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker, LL & CoalTrol
Stove/Furnace Model: 90K, Hyfire I, VF3000 Soon


Re: Need advise about drafting issue

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:24 am

To really help you fully, please describe your system in detail and maintenance practices so far this season. Agree a manometer and feed rate increase will help, though a system discussion may help find other issues. :shock:

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Uglysquirrel
 
Stove/Furnace Model: Pocono

Re: Need advise about drafting issue

PostBy: Berlin On: Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:32 am

clearly you have a problem with your stack draft. give us some details about your stack. fix the chimney and you'll be safe; no need for a powerventer.
Berlin
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Will-Burt Combustioneer 77B
Coal Size/Type: Ohio BITUMINOUS pea stoker coal

Re: Need advise about drafting issue

PostBy: mprov On: Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:57 pm

Thanks for the help I love this forem.I have about 18 feet of double insulated pipe going up the back of the house.It is about one foot above the ridge.My stove is a pocono and I clean it every four weeks.I take the black pipe off the stove and clean it thoroughly. My baro tee is the first pipe out of the stove. Is that ok. With the baro in that location where should I put my manometer tube? And the fitting for the manometer is plastic that attaches to the stove pipe.That can't be right is it?

Thanks again in advance Mike
mprov
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: leasure line pocono 110
Coal Size/Type: rice
Stove/Furnace Make: leisure line
Stove/Furnace Model: pocono

Re: Need advise about drafting issue

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:49 pm

Manometer pipe generally goes between the stove exhaust and the barometer. Most installations have a foot or two 6" black pipe between the stove exhaust and barometer with the manometer pipe pretty much installed in the middle of that 1-2 ft length.

Having the manometer pipe so close to the barometer is something I am not familiar with, I will let others advise.

As far as how a manometer should be installed, there are lots of posts on the forum regarding that, one of our fine members likely has a few links already a few posts before this one...

Although you may, if you do not have an approved building permit for the install, understand that if had an incident caused by a stove issue your homeowners may not cover the incident from several perspectives.

The min feed rate as noted by WNY is also important.
Uglysquirrel
 
Stove/Furnace Model: Pocono

Re: Need advise about drafting issue

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:53 pm

BTW, you may want to clean out the entire length of chimney from stove to roof cap, it goes not take much of a ash coat to significantly reducing the area of a 6" ID insulated pipe. Can't be toooo safe IMO....

My chimney is 12" x 12" tiles, a lot more area that a 6" ID ....
Uglysquirrel
 
Stove/Furnace Model: Pocono

Re: Need advise about drafting issue

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:01 pm

mprov wrote:Thanks for the help I love this forem.I have about 18 feet of double insulated pipe going up the back of the house.It is about one foot above the ridge.

How close is the ridge to the chimney? Your chimney top must be 2' above anything within 10'.
coaledsweat
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260M
Coal Size/Type: Pea

Re: Need advise about drafting issue

PostBy: McGiever On: Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:36 pm

mprov wrote:Thanks for the help I love this forem.I have about 18 feet of double insulated pipe going up the back of the house.It is about one foot above the ridge.My stove is a pocono and I clean it every four weeks.I take the black pipe off the stove and clean it thoroughly. My baro tee is the first pipe out of the stove. Is that ok. With the baro in that location where should I put my manometer tube? And the fitting for the manometer is plastic that attaches to the stove pipe.That can't be right is it?

Thanks again in advance Mike


Ever clean out the bottom of the 18'?

Mano needs to be inserted below the baro. as far below baro. as you can get...stay in straight vertical piece is best for your setup. Sometimes fellows will do it into stove wall for "over the fire" readings. You can SEARCH "over the fire" for more info. if you desire. :)
McGiever
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: HARMAN MAGNUM
Hand Fed Coal Stove: RADIANT HOME AIR BLAST
Baseburners & Antiques: OUR GLENWOOD 111 BASEBURNER "1908"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE, NUT-STOVE / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek

Re: Need advise about drafting issue

PostBy: warminmn On: Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:25 am

Eliminate as many elbows and T pipes as you can. My Dads stove could not get enough draft until I eliminated a clean out T that was in the pipe. And I made a 90 degree elbow into two 45 degree pipes. Ive seen it printed that each 90 degree pipe you have takes 3 feet of vertical chimney and a T pipe takes 5 feet. A 45 degree takes one foot. Each one you eliminate is the same as making your chimney higher. I'd get at least 2 feet above your peak too and probably 3 feet would be better. just my opinion.
warminmn
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Chubby Junior, Efel Nestor Martin
Coal Size/Type: nut and stove anthracite. Soft coal
Other Heating: wood

Re: Need advise about drafting issue

PostBy: Berlin On: Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:43 am

with an exterior stack I'd add another section and add height. This will give you much better draft during mild weather.
Berlin
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Will-Burt Combustioneer 77B
Coal Size/Type: Ohio BITUMINOUS pea stoker coal

Re: Need advise about drafting issue

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:18 am

I am 4' above ridge...
Nice draft on a short stack even on warm days...
CapeCoaler
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: want AA130
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine BS#4, Harman MKII, Hitzer 503,...
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Stove

Re: Need advise about drafting issue

PostBy: Bootstrap On: Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:21 am

mprov wrote:Thanks for the help I love this forem.I have about 18 feet of double insulated pipe going up the back of the house.It is about one foot above the ridge.My stove is a pocono and I clean it every four weeks.I take the black pipe off the stove and clean it thoroughly. My baro tee is the first pipe out of the stove. Is that ok. With the baro in that location where should I put my manometer tube? And the fitting for the manometer is plastic that attaches to the stove pipe.That can't be right is it?

Thanks again in advance Mike



Your biggest problem by far is having the chimney pipe on the outside of the house. When I originally installed my stack I was burning wood. I ran the pipe on the outside of my house. So it went out the top of the stove(at that time), up into a 90, then out a basement window into another 90 then straight up. I constantly got backdraft. Starting a fire was frustrating because I was getting smoke in the house. I only ran this setup maybe 10 times and got sick of it. I pulled another permit and ran the pipe straight from the basement through the house and out the roof of my ranch. That chimney performs 10 times better, never any backdraft, never ever any smells in the house. Top of my chimney clears the peak by about 2-3 feet.
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I painted the stove pipe black to blend in with the roof more. Its triple layer insulated chimey pipe.
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Even with that 45 degree pipe, still no backdraft because the stack is about 20' tall straight up.
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Bootstrap
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Hitzer
Stove/Furnace Model: 30-95

Re: Need advise about drafting issue

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:40 am

Bootstrap wrote:
mprov wrote:Thanks for the help I love this forem.I have about 18 feet of double insulated pipe going up the back of the house.It is about one foot above the ridge.My stove is a pocono and I clean it every four weeks.I take the black pipe off the stove and clean it thoroughly. My baro tee is the first pipe out of the stove. Is that ok. With the baro in that location where should I put my manometer tube? And the fitting for the manometer is plastic that attaches to the stove pipe.That can't be right is it?

Thanks again in advance Mike



Your biggest problem by far is having the chimney pipe on the outside of the house. When I originally installed my stack I was burning wood. I ran the pipe on the outside of my house. So it went out the top of the stove(at that time), up into a 90, then out a basement window into another 90 then straight up. I constantly got backdraft. Starting a fire was frustrating because I was getting smoke in the house. I only ran this setup maybe 10 times and got sick of it. I pulled another permit and ran the pipe straight from the basement through the house and out the roof of my ranch. That chimney performs 10 times better, never any backdraft, never ever any smells in the house. Top of my chimney clears the peak by about 2-3 feet.


Bootstrap, you provided valued input, I learned something here that I willl tell my brother in law who has the outside insulated set burning woods but wants to do coal....

Is that a wind genny I see on your roof, Bootstrap ?

Pretty cool if it is!!! :D :D
Uglysquirrel
 
Stove/Furnace Model: Pocono