Forum Member With a New Rush #9 Baseburner?

I wonder if a forum member was the successfull bidder on this BB stove?
It has several cracks, and cast iron issues, but can be restored to make a neat small BB stove.
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I saw that Greg, I don't think it's a base burner though? Looks to be a square style coal stove. Can't really see any secondary exhaust flue that circulates. Nice looking little stove though. Thought it might be a base heater, but doesn't look like it. Defo not a burner as there is no exhaust ring above the pot. Not flapper valve/damper on back either.

I'm sure william will back me up, [or correct me], but I think that's a true baseburner, there is no top ring because the heat/exhaust off the fire is drawn down around the suspended firepot, into the base then up the back to the rear facing flue.
I tried to get the guy to send me more photos so I could find a diverter door control, so I don't know where it pulls the air from the back of the stove body when in direct draft.
If I'd been able to put 'hands on' I'd have bid more on it, I had a friend in Mass willing to pick it up and hold it till could get it home, but I thought with the broken iron parts, several 'mystery' cracks.. and the corroded or bad back casting that has holes behind the 'ork' in New York in the back casting.. well, I think the sales price is enough.

It looks like it got a 'rebuild in a can' fluff-up awhile back, and that seriously concerns me,, often important funtional or operational parts like a diverter door or a diverter elbow go missing during a cosmetic 'for display' fluff-up.

Also, I asked three times for a measurement to the TOP of the exhaust flue, and he kept giving me to the center.. which would be fine If I knew the flue diameter or width [oval] at the back,, I have a low lintle in a fireplace where it would look nice, so the top of the flue measurement is critical for my instalation, but It's gone, and so be it.

I saw the small round cast reinforced pivot hole on the right side, rear corner, half way up, that probably would have been the axle support/bearing for the diverter door, probably now missing.

The seller was selective in his answers to my questions.. raising my hackles, so I didn't bid high on it.

Greg L

I was hoping that a forum member bought it and we'd see a disection and rebuild.

Greg

Yes, this looks like a tiny little base burner. If you look at the exhaust collar you can see where it looks like the draft circuits are split. It looks like it is missing the valve damper and the rod.
This stove dates from the mid 1880's, and is very small. It is meant to heat maybe one or two rooms. Even so it still has a magazine and looks to be a fairly good design.
However, the condition of the stove is a different story. If you look on the back you can see where there are holes where the rear plate has rusted through. The obvious flaw is in the top cap which was completely broken and then brazed or whatever they did back together. The stove otherwise looks fairly complete.
I really like these square base burners. My favorites of this style is the Red Cross Signal. I would however pass on this particular stove.
Just a word of caution. If you see something on ebay or craigslist that you just have to have. Please if at all possible look at the stove in person before you buy it. Being able to inspect it with a flashight will reveal its true condition. If you can't go look at it in person, don't be afraid to ask specific questions and request photos to back up the answers.
There are plenty of good base burners and other stoves out there. You must be picky and know what you are getting before you spend your money.
Heating with a base burner is a wonderful experience. These stoves are amazing.
I just don't want any of my friends here to be taken advantage of or make a mistake and get a stove that can't be properly restored for use.

Thanks William, I have a few questions, looking at the photos, it looks like the magazine is pretty far above the top of the fingers of the suspended firepot, does it look right to you? It appears that it would probably spill some coal around the outer perimeter of the firepot. Maybe not with stove coal or large nut size, but small nut would,, Or I just need to see it filled with coal?

The small size of this stove is what appealed to me, I can't use a big beast of a stove, my place now is very well insulated, and having 6 friends over for dinner results in the heat shutting off, the added body heat keeps the thermostat satisfied.

So a small stove would be a 'fun experiment' for me,, I certainly don't need it for heat.

Well the stove had a rough life, and a poor fluff up, 'rattle can rebuild' with a few left-over parts. Sad..

William, do you have a photo in your archives of this stove when it was new? I'm currious how much of it had nickle plating, is it missing a front
'foot rail' heat deflector to match the ones on the sides??

Greg L.

As far as the magazine goes, I can't tell if it is in the correct position or not. The angle of the picture is decieving. These stoves were covered with nickel. Here is one of my favorite stoves. I would love to have one of these. This is a Red Cross Signal. This is almost identical to the stove you looked at on ebay except this is what they are supposed to look like.

Wow, I never really took an interest in antique anything. But THAT is freakin awesome!
And I would Definitely savor a few moments to sit next to it and feel its warmth

I also like these Red Cross Signal stoves, they are so nice! We don't see many peoples having them on the forum, is there a special reason?

Not trying to be obtuse (well maybe I am ) but if it's anything (more than a direct/indiect draft stove) , it's a little base heater. The "burners are the ones with rings above suspended firepots. Base Heaters have the rear circuit down onto a double base under the ashpit. I don't see any valve/damper on that back piece though as Will stated (looks to be missing) but I also don't see any place where it is missing from either? All I see is a check valve on that exhaust manifold, but hey, anythings possible?

Hi Steve, look at the photo of the back right corner of the stove, about halfway up the back casting there is a round cast bearing point that is drilled but nothing in it, It is at just the right spot to be one pivot or bearing point for a damper or diverter plate, there is i'm sure, a matching pivot /bearing point on the other side of the back casting.

Take a look a william's thread on his Glennwood #9, it shows the same type of airflow.

The ebay seller was pretty selective with his photos, not showing a lot, and I think the stove is missing the diverter/damper. The passagway for the direct exhaust would be on the back of the stove body, and the only photo of that area is blocked by the magazine.

Neat little stove, just about a sister to the 'Signal' stove william posted photos of,, I'm gonna expand the photos of the 'Signal' and see if I can see the diverter handle on the right rear corner, about a foot up from the base..

Take care,
Greg L

Yep the handle is there, in the first two photos of the 'Signal' stove. the handle is small, maybe about the size of an average person's little finger, about 2.5" long, it's about a foot above the base, just about inline with the center of the flue .

And I took a look again at the photos on the ebay auction,, scroll down to the photo showing the sliding air plate on the back of the stove, you will see on either side the cast bosses that I was describing, The stove doesnn't have any handle in them, they are at a point just above the flue exit, and below the bottom of the sliding air valve.

Yep, it's missing the diverter door, handle etc..

And with all the cast iron issue, cracks filled with JBWeld or ???? and the layer of paint hiding unknown other ills,, I'm glad I didn't buy it.

But with about $800 worth of nickle plating to maker 'er pretty like the Signal stove.. hmm...

Greg L

Oh yep, I see what you mean Greg. Good eye.

LOL, I was scratching my head for hours over those photos, trying to figure it out..

Greg L

Seems the Rush 9 is back on the market.

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