Some eBay traders need a Pa. auctioneer's licens

Some eBay traders need a Pa. auctioneer's licens

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:22 pm

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) - Some people who regularly sell merchandise on eBay are being warned they need a state auctioneer's license.

State officials say the licenses are designed to protect consumers.

But to get one, the eBay sellers would have to serve an apprenticeship with an auctioneer or take college auctioneering courses. They risk a $1,000 fine if they do not comply.

The rule applies only to people who sell merchandise for others through the site -- not people selling their own goods.

One man caught in the crackdown says the state Board of Auctioneer Examiners is dominated by traditional auctioneers who fear competition.


Just another outdated law preventing people from making a living. Laws like these need to be removed from the books. It protects the interests of a few and hinders many, this is not only a national economy we are living in but a international economy and if they can't take the heat its time to get out of the kitchen.
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Re: Some eBay traders need a Pa. auctioneer's licens

PostBy: Dallas On: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:09 pm

eBay sent me a note several months ago, regarding this. They suggested I contact my senator. It doesn't make any sense at all to me, from either side of the spectrum. If I were to have to become an auctioneer, I'd damn sure do more than put a few things on eBay. I'd be the current auctioneers biggest threat. An auctioneer's overhead is minimal and the profits are great! To gain a little more profit, now they all charge a "buyer's premium"!

Why should I need an auctioneers license to do the same as advertising in classifieds of a local newspaper?
I'll be talking with the senator on Thanksgiving.
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Re: Some eBay traders need a Pa. auctioneer's licens

PostBy: e.alleg On: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:34 pm

wow I can't believe Ebay will let this law go through. Ebay, Yahoo, Gunbroker, etc... all depend on mass revenue from individuals selling things and paying fees, any attempt to thwart that usually gets shut down quickly by their lobbyists. Some states considered Ebay trader's assistants as "pawnbrokers" and wanted them to buy a pawn shop license which is basically impossible for the average honest citizen to do.
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Re: Some eBay traders need a Pa. auctioneer's licens

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:36 pm

Well it only applies if you're selling other peoples items, I lost link for origianl article but there is same one here:

The rule applies only to people who sell merchandise for others through a site, not people selling their own goods. Getting such a license requires serving an apprenticeship with an auctioneer or taking college auctioneering courses — and people risk a $1,000 fine if they do not comply.


http://www.pennlive.com/newsflash/pa/in ... ylist=penn

:lol: Sounds a little stupid to me to take some course then serge as apprentice to learn something you are never going to need anyway. Do you think the "real" auctioneers know the intricacies of using ebay, some may but I've no doubt their "students" are going to know far more than them and it's doubtful any information you gain from such a course is going to apply to what you're doing on ebay.

The only thing this law is doing is restricting people from making a living a ebay. Many of the items sold their don't even get auctioned but instead are sold at set price.
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Re: Some eBay traders need a Pa. auctioneer's licens

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:37 pm

e.alleg wrote:wow I can't believe Ebay will let this law go through. Ebay, Yahoo, Gunbroker, etc... .


I believe its old law, nothing new. They are just applying ancient law to modern technology...
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Re: Some eBay traders need a Pa. auctioneer's licens

PostBy: billw On: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:57 pm

NEPAForum Admin wrote:
e.alleg wrote:wow I can't believe Ebay will let this law go through. Ebay, Yahoo, Gunbroker, etc... .


I believe its old law, nothing new. They are just applying ancient law to modern technology...


And collecting yet another license fee. Politicians haven't met a transaction they didn't want a piece of. Makes the mafia look like the PTA
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Re: Some eBay traders need a Pa. auctioneer's licens

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:07 am

Well currently there is no taxes on anything sold over the internet and that's the way it should stay. About the only thing I could see is flat national tax, other than that it would be a nightmare for the anyone wantng to set up a online store to keep track of who pays what not to mention all the paperwork that is bound to go along with it.
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Re: Some eBay traders need a Pa. auctioneer's licens

PostBy: e.alleg On: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:41 pm

NEPAForum Admin wrote:Well currently there is no taxes on anything sold over the internet and that's the way it should stay. About the only thing I could see is flat national tax, other than that it would be a nightmare for the anyone wantng to set up a online store to keep track of who pays what not to mention all the paperwork that is bound to go along with it.


not entirely true. In most states, maybe every state, to conduct business legally one needs a business certificate and also a certificate of authority to collect sales tax. I have an Ebay store and I have to collect sales tax on everything that I ship to New York or if someone comes over and buys it at my house I have to charge them tax and then send it in every 3 months. It is a royal PITA because each county has a different tax rate. NY charges 4% and each county (or a specific city within the county) charges between 3% and 5%. Now to make matters even more complicated in NYC there is a MCTD on certain items, yada yada. Ebay is 2 steps ahead on this matter, as a seller I can set the tax rate for each state, so for NY I charge 8% and I cover the difference when I send in my payment to the state. If I ran a high volume business I'd have something like this: http://www.earthodyssey.com/sales_tax.html (no affiliation), if I had a warehouse in PA I'd have to charge PA residents tax too. Technically almost everything you buy on the internet you must report on a state "USE TAX" form, so if the seller didn't collect it it's your responsibility to send that money to your state. I don't know anyone who actually does it (besides myself of course :D ) but you are supposed to. If the gov. ever decided that everything on Ebay had to be taxed there is an easy way to accomplish the task; Paypal would collect the tax on every transaction from the buyers and send checks to each state monthly. That would eliminate the problems with trying to educate 100 million people on 10,000 different tax laws for every state. You guessed it, everyone would pay via Money Order and then those would be taxed at a flat 8% or whatever. Wait until Hillary or Obama gets in we'll see some of this BS up close and personal.

The good news about collecting tax for the state is I don't have to pay tax on things used for my business to be resold, I collect the tax when the item sells.
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Re: Some eBay traders need a Pa. auctioneer's licens

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:31 am

I stand corrected, I thought it applies to everyone. Just read a few articles about it. Take this for example:

A related issue is whether so-called “clicks-and-mortar” retailers must collect sales tax on their online sales. A number of national retail chains have established an internet department. Given the Supreme Court ruling that if a mail order or internet firm has a physical presence (“nexus”) within the state it must collect sales taxes, one would think these firms would do so. However, many national chains do not. They contend that their e-commerce operation is a distinct legal entity, unrelated to their bricks and mortar stores. This practice is known as "entity isolation".


http://www.newrules.org/retail/inttax2.html

That poses a distinct disadvantage to large chains if they had to collect sales tax, not that I'm complaining. However I'm sure they could get the lobbyist to get some legislation together to avoid this and move there online operations to a state that doesn't collect sales taxes (if one exists). Just a big mess regardless of the situation, only real solution is to have a flat sales tax which is distributed to the state where the purchaser is.
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Re: Some eBay traders need a Pa. auctioneer's licens

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:51 am

In some states, it is the buyers resposibility to pay the tax on an out of state purchase if it is not collected by the seller. You can be prosecuted and pay penalties for failure to do so. Big purchases seem to attract the tax departments.
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Re: Some eBay traders need a Pa. auctioneer's licens

PostBy: e.alleg On: Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:10 am

"Some states are using the stick as well as the carrot. In 2003, Illinois went to court to force Wal-Mart and Target and Office Depot and two smaller retailers for uncollected back sales taxes" While the tax laws are confusing and vague I decided I'd rather collect tax from my in state customers than risk paying "uncollected back taxes" which would be thousands of dollars probably. The problems I went through with my business is what exactly is a "nexus"? I run an Ebay store, there is no sign on my warehouse or garage. As soon as just one person picks up in person an item they bought online does that make my business a nexus? Nobody seems to know, but they all said the same thing; ignorance of the law is not an excuse and penalties for non-compliance can be harsh.
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Re: Some eBay traders need a Pa. auctioneer's licens

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:36 am

coaledsweat wrote:In some states, it is the buyers resposibility to pay the tax on an out of state purchase if it is not collected by the seller.


Now that you mention i remember a bunch of people getting some hefty bills for purchasing cigarettes from out of state online.
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