Differance between Base Burners and Parlor Stoves?

Re: Differance between Base Burners and Parlor Stoves?

PostBy: dlj On: Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:17 pm

EarthWindandFire wrote:One of the more important pieces of information regarding the antique stoves is the btu output. This is not often discussed because of the lack of information. I have posted the btu ratings using surface area vs stove body temperature but have yet to calculate btu's based on fire pot size.

It would be interesting to measure the coal usage of a Glenwood # 6 at full output during a 24 hour period during a cold night. And then we could extrapolate the btu rating and develop a breakdown for potential stove buyers.

At one point I knew the fire box dimensions for a Quaker # 8. Possibly 20 inches?


I think the most I've been able to push through my Glenwood over a 24 hour period is in the neighborhood of 100 pounds of coal. I recall a conversation on here some time ago where someone had said they could put either 125 or 150 pounds of coal through their stove so I tried to see what I could do. It was quite cold out and I'm not sure I made the 24 hour period running full out as it got very toasty in my house... But I guess the max amount of coal you could push through the Glenwood #6 would be close to 100 pounds a day if you need to use that for some kind of guesstimate of max BTU output. Although 75 pounds would be more reasonable to consider a throughput over say a week or more..

dj
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Re: Differance between Base Burners and Parlor Stoves?

PostBy: EarthWindandFire On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:51 pm

I've been thinking about base burners again as I learn the art of hand-fired coal burning. I just wanted to post some quick calculations here for my future reference.

Glenwood # 6 with 16" inch wide fire pot: Pi (3.14) x 8 x 8= 201 square inches.

Hitzer Model 75 with 14 x 24" inch wide fire box: 14 x 24= 336 square inches.

Quaker # 8 with 18" inch wide fire pot: Pi (3.14) x 9 x 9= 254 square inches.

So, if I wanted to equal the fire box area of the Hitzer, I would need a base burner stove with a fire pot diameter of about 21" inches. But, most antique stoves need relining with cement which reduces the overall fire pot width. More likely, I would need a 22" inch wide fire pot thats been relined which reduces its overall width to about 21" inches.

Note: This is not the same as radiant surface area, thats another issue entirely.
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Re: Differance between Base Burners and Parlor Stoves?

PostBy: wsherrick On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:44 pm

EarthWindandFire wrote:I've been thinking about base burners again as I learn the art of hand-fired coal burning. I just wanted to post some quick calculations here for my future reference.

Glenwood # 6 with 16" inch wide fire pot: Pi (3.14) x 8 x 8= 201 square inches.

Hitzer Model 75 with 14 x 24" inch wide fire box: 14 x 24= 336 square inches.

Quaker # 8 with 18" inch wide fire pot: Pi (3.14) x 9 x 9= 254 square inches.

So, if I wanted to equal the fire box area of the Hitzer, I would need a base burner stove with a fire pot diameter of about 21" inches. But, most antique stoves need relining with cement which reduces the overall fire pot width. More likely, I would need a 22" inch wide fire pot thats been relined which reduces its overall width to about 21" inches.

Note: This is not the same as radiant surface area, thats another issue entirely.


Did you take volume into consideration as well? The depth of the fire pot is also very important, i.e. overall coal capacity. The Our Glenwood 13 that I have under restoration now has an 18 inch wide fire pot but the fire pot is over 2 feet deep. The total coal capacity of that stove is well in excess of 100 pounds of coal. That's a lot of heat producing potential .
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Re: Differance between Base Burners and Parlor Stoves?

PostBy: nortcan On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:00 pm

Hum, curiously, when I reduced the loading capacity of my Vig ll by adding big fire bricks to the right and left sides and closing the front bars with a 1/2" steel plate, the stove had less anthracite in it and produced the same heat output and probably more than before, on the thermometer.
My small Golden Bride had a 12" fire pot that I reduced with a 1" liner to about 10" left and it's quite surprising how much heat it can generates for a so small Base Burner.
Before I start burning it William told me to be confident about what an Antique Base Burner stoves could do and I was so satisfied with an Antique stove that I got a second Antique Base Burner, ( before I didn't even looked at Antique things, when I was young at the farm we used to bring old things to the wood, so antique stoves were not for me :oops: :oops: ). I have nothing against new/modern stoves, just a different world.
That is my own opinion based on ""Scientific in Home Testings"" :) No numbers but pure pleasure :!:
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Re: Differance between Base Burners and Parlor Stoves?

PostBy: oldmanstyle On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:10 pm

Can't thank you guys enough for all the knowledge and help provided on this forum !
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