Art Garland BaseBurner "Double Heater"

Re: Art Garland BaseBurner "Double Heater"

PostBy: nortcan On: Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:42 pm

Greg, in my stove the front part having a deflector is made just like on the photo. If you zoom on it you will see the sloping curves at the left and right sides. The part is really casted that way.
The main reason for that slot I found is for admitting air coming from the primary air damper and/or from the small gravity flapper (but the small gravity flapper is quite heavy so it would take a "big" draft to have it opned to play the role of a baro???...), so that air arrives just over the fire pot's top and can be an over the fire gasses vent burner (not shure of my words here but you see what I mean) a little like the ring around the no 6 Glenwood.
My Bride having an horizontal, just over the fire pot draft, to me that over the fire gasses burning draft from the slot makes sense.........I think :gee:
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Re: Art Garland BaseBurner "Double Heater"

PostBy: LsFarm On: Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:11 pm

Hi PIere, I'll have to look and see how close my front piece fits the firepot, maybe there is a gap similar to the one on your stove.. If so, it should make for plently of 'dancing blue ladies' over the fire.
I do't have my front piece installed right now, I'm waiting until I decide on a place to set up the stove for display. It's too heavy to move when all assembled, just removing the doors, firepot and magazine reduces the stove by 100# or so.

I got back most of my plated parts.. I got lucky, the platers were looking for work, so they got started on the job right away.

But the flat-black paint hid a LOT of corrosion pitting on the pieces.. the nickel shows every imperfection in the pieces. casting pits, corroded pitting, etc.

I didn't like the looks of the top dome, it had a lot of pits left over from the sand-casting of the piece, and the rust from it sitting and corroding over the years. So I asked them to do a bit more work on the front of the dome,, because that is the part your eyes are drawn to when you see the stove.
Hopefully I'll be able to pick it up tomorrow.

The rest of the plating is 'ok'. certainly not great.. but I didn't want to pay for a super nice plating job.. I just wanted to get some nickel on the stove, instead of the all-black 'Darth Vader' look.

Thankfully the front piece with 'Art Garland' on it looks pretty nice, as does the primary draft spinner door/knob.
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I went with the copper urns and nickel side bars on the finial.. it looks so nice on Grumpy's Florence stoves. that I wanted to use the same look. The steel pieces making up the finial were also very corroded, they were 'swiss cheese' I had to very carefully braze up the holes in the paper thin steel,, I may rework these pieces later, do some additional brazing and grinding/sanding to get a nicer finish..
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Lots of corrosion and pitting showed up after I removed the flat black paint.
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I also took a photo of the right rear corner of the stove, showing the top direct/baseheater diverter door control-handle, as well as the lower push-pull handle for the check draft sliding vent in the area around the base of the suspended firepot. These handles and controls are hidden behind the rear nickeled 'wing' when it's mounted to the stove.
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Now I have to decide where to place the stove in the house, disassemble it, move and reassemble it.

Greg L.
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Baseburners & Antiques: Keystone 11, Art Garland

Re: Art Garland BaseBurner "Double Heater"

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:15 pm

I decided that the 'mudroom' is the place for the 'Art Garland'.. I removed the other 'display' stove, a nice, rare column woodburning stove, to make room.
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Then we moved the stripped 'Garland' into place, and started to reassemble it. When I got the grate assembly reinstalled, I was amazed at how open the area around the base of the firepot is. I can see that plenty of combustion air is avalable to the side slots in the firepot, as well as through the grate from below. The possible different airflow directions with the rear internal 'check damper' are numerous. Rather confusing even.
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Piere: the fit between the front lip of the firepot, and the front cast 'band' that holds the firepot in place, is quite wide and open, I'm sure that this is to provide over the fire air when the dampers are set correctly. This front 'band' also provides a surface for the doors to mate with [note I didn't say 'seal against' ]
You can see the amount of air gap: it's probably 1/4" wide.
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The firepot installed, with a view of the rear direct vent opening and door on the right, and the exhaust vent on the left diverting the exhaust to the baseheater when the direct vent door is closed.
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I still have to get the top Nickeled 'dome' from the platers. They are trying to get the surface to have fewer pits and blemishes. I hope it looks better than it did last week. But here she is: without her 'bonnet'
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Greg L
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Re: Art Garland BaseBurner "Double Heater"

PostBy: nortcan On: Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:08 pm

Greg, things are coming very well on the stove. Stove is nice and will be even more with the dome and finial. That will be the "top" of the Art. I don't know if a double pair of side wings is rare on these stoves, we don't see that very often and hope someone will comment it. Anyway the wings create a very special eyes catcher.
Are you planning a liner for the fire pot or leave it as is?
Bravo and thanks to share, keep on the good work. You will love that B.B.
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Re: Art Garland BaseBurner "Double Heater"

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:25 pm

Hi Piere, I probably will eventually line the firepot, probably use the same or similar method you did, but I'm not planning on burning in the stove anytime soon. I do't have a chimney in the house that is usable for this stove.

If I could find a small BB with a rear exit flue with the top of the flue pipe only 24" off the floor, then I could put that short stove in my fireplace. But otherwise I need to build a 35' chimney inside the house if I'm to use this stove.

So for now, I'll just look at her..

BTW; you were correct, that gap on the front of my firepot appears to be intentional for letting heated combustion air over the top of the fire, burning off the volitiles.
My magazine has venting holes above and around it to keep the ari moving so it can be burnt.


Greg L
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Baseburners & Antiques: Keystone 11, Art Garland

Re: Art Garland BaseBurner "Double Heater"

PostBy: SteveZee On: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:39 am

Greg,

There has got to be something out there with the 24" inch flue exit. A Glenwood #6 exhaust is at 25" so it's no far off the mark.

Worse comes to worse, look for a base burner (versus heater) like the one Meatball had for sale or William's (109?)small stove and just change out the back pipe (they don't have the divider, the damper is in the collar between the stove and back pipe) then just put the exhaust flue at the 24"/ spot that you need it. Not going to bother it to move it down a couple inches or whatever.
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Re: Art Garland BaseBurner "Double Heater"

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:28 pm

Hi Steve, If I really 'needed' a coal burner for the room with the fireplace, I'd make a rear indirect pipe, and put a rear flue exit on an 'OAK' or similar stove. Making a 6" flue exit flange that fits a stove cylinder would not be 'easy' but it can be done.

Then I'd have a nice heater with added radiant surface area. But.. I really don't need a stove in that part of the house. I rarely go in that part of the house, it's a formal dining room,, the bedrooms above it are not used and so whatever heat I add via a small stove, would really be wasted.

I'd like to have bought the 'Rush #9' when it was on Ebay, it had a 24.5" top of rear flue measurement, but the stove had just too many cracks, poor repairs, and probable missing parts to pay the ~$400 it would have cost to buy it.. and then I'd have to figure out who would go pick it up for me, crate it, and I'd have to pay to have it shipped, probably get more cracks and damage.. etc etc..
I really did like the looks of the Rush #9.. it was like a Magic Andes or similar.. a square stove body, made of doors and cast back.. not a steel cyliner with added iron pieces.. I like the square/rectangular look,,

I may add a few chimneys to the place in a year or two.. for the 'fall and spring' days when the place needs a small dose of heat to take the night's chill off the place.

I could add an outside masonry chimney right outside the wall that the 'Art Garland' is backed up against, it'd be fairly easy, and I could also be accessed from the basement if ever needed. The other location is internal, which I like better, but right now, I'm not into making more of a mess in the house, I'm enjoying haveing a mostly complete main living space, without drywall dust, open stud-walls and construction dust etc. Not that i'm much of a housekeeper, I rake the dog hair up once a week or two, and dust when I can see footprints on the wood flooring.. :shock: :lol: .. But I still and really tired of living in a construction zone.

Greg L
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
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Baseburners & Antiques: Keystone 11, Art Garland

Re: Art Garland BaseBurner "Double Heater"

PostBy: mastiffdude On: Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:32 pm

Congrats on a very nice find. Jim
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Re: Art Garland BaseBurner "Double Heater"

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:27 pm

Hi Jim got an update on your 'Quick Time' ?? I really like that stove.. .

I found out why the Art Garland was painted flat black: it hides the rust pitts really well !!

Greg L
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
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Re: Art Garland BaseBurner "Double Heater"

PostBy: SteveZee On: Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:38 am

Greg,

Yep that's what I was thinking on the 6" flange. A base burner type or an indirect oak would work fine (if you were ever to want one). They have the back pipe replaced on occasion and will re-use the flange if it's in good shape. Back pipes are easy to get, as we know, it's the guts that come dear. You could place the flange right where you needed on the new back pipe and good to go.
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Re: Art Garland BaseBurner "Double Heater"

PostBy: mastiffdude On: Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:38 pm

Nothing really new on my quick time except wondering how to cover the 8x10 doors with mica ,guess theyll have to be pieced because an 8x10 piece of mica is rare and very expensive(.Around $80)I wonder if when these stoves came out if they used mica that big, anybody know? Jim
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Re: Art Garland BaseBurner "Double Heater"

PostBy: carlherrnstein On: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:05 am

I dont know how clear mcmaster carr's opaque mica is but hears a link http://www.mcmaster.com/#mica/=gk4zfh they have it in 23x39 sheets its .004 thick so I doubt its compleatly opaque.

The largest size of clear mica they carry is 6x7 if you call them they may be able to get a larger peice for you they also have a 5x8 for less than $8 its also .004 thick.
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Re: Art Garland BaseBurner "Double Heater"

PostBy: wsherrick On: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:48 pm

mastiffdude wrote:Nothing really new on my quick time except wondering how to cover the 8x10 doors with mica ,guess theyll have to be pieced because an 8x10 piece of mica is rare and very expensive(.Around $80)I wonder if when these stoves came out if they used mica that big, anybody know? Jim


You don't use one piece of mica to cover the whole window. Each window pane is an individual pane of mica. If you take off the frame on the back of the window then you will find that is the case. If somebody attempted to use one piece for the whole window. They made a big mistake.
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Re: Art Garland BaseBurner "Double Heater"

PostBy: mastiffdude On: Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:54 pm

Thanks Carl Herrenstein. William doing each window by itself makes a better seal?When i got the stove it had pieces about 4x5 covering 1/2 the windows in one door.So now i would do them individually and use a high heat sealer on edges of each?Thanks Jim
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Re: Art Garland BaseBurner "Double Heater"

PostBy: SteveZee On: Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:47 am

mastiffdude wrote:Thanks Carl Herrenstein. William doing each window by itself makes a better seal?When i got the stove it had pieces about 4x5 covering 1/2 the windows in one door.So now i would do them individually and use a high heat sealer on edges of each?Thanks Jim


Jim, if they fit in the frame nicely like that, then I would certainly go that way. It's allot easier using the 4x5 (2 pieces per) and as long as you have a decent seal you'll be fine. As you know, below the grate is where 90% of your control comes from. My stove has secondary vents in the load door but many came with either small holes drilled or the mica fit in with the frame (no sealer).
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