smart meters

Re: smart meters

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:16 pm

It's way too late, all those paranoid people obviously have something to hide & will soon be getting your notice via certified mail as to which reeducation center to report to, don't even try to get away you are under 24/7 surveillance & your appliance's weapons systems have been activated.
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Re: smart meters

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:24 pm

The thing that creeps me out the most is people who like to be survailed and patted down and radiated at airports, etc... because they claim they have nothing to hide and it makes them feel good to know that the authorities are ever monitoring them for their own safety.

A recent survey in Germany found that 26% of all Germans desire to have themselves and their families voluntarily V-Chipped as soon as the technology becomes readily available to the masses. After all, they have nothing to hide or to fear (and it sure beats wearing a star of David sewed onto your shirt, or does it?).
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Re: smart meters

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:39 pm

Smart meter technology is still in its infancy.


So is hacking them. Once there is value in hacking this net they will become useless.
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Re: smart meters

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:44 pm

Don't bother me none, they hired a whole bunch of us old retired vets to sit in front of monitors. The pay ain't so great but some of the sights you see make it well worth it but as you may well know there is a downside, I won't mention any names.
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Re: smart meters

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:08 pm

Perhaps this thread is done but I liked this as I understood it.


http://www.channelingreality.com/Power/Smart_Grid_for_the_Layman_Nixon.pdf
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
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Re: smart meters

PostBy: franco b On: Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:16 pm

coalnewbie wrote:Perhaps this thread is done but I liked this as I understood it.


http://www.channelingreality.com/Power/Smart_Grid_for_the_Layman_Nixon.pdf
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.

Getting a tinfoil hat may no longer be a joke.
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Re: smart meters

PostBy: gaw On: Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:33 pm

It’s funny how none of my Amish neighbors have smart meters or dumb meters. The power company connects to your house at your request not because you are required to have electrical service. Simply call your electric provider and tell them to remove all of their wires and meter and that you will stop paying any more charges effective immediately. I bet that will fix the problem. :D
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Re: smart meters

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:45 pm

gaw wrote:The power company connects to your house at your request not because you are required to have electrical service.

They are also a public utility and in exchange for their monopoly status they also have a duty not to harm their customers. State regulatory bodies could put a stop to it easily.
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Re: smart meters

PostBy: Freddy On: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:52 am

coalnewbie wrote:http://www.channelingreality.com/Power/ ... _Nixon.pdf


I've always known that good science fiction is based on a certain mount of science fact. The above link takes you to what I consider science fiction. They take a certain amount of science, then add bushels of babbaldy-bull and present it as... I'm not just sure what, but it's certainly not fact. Here's one part: "They are cheap $3 pieces of junk, made in China, and not tested to meet any standards specifications; as such these meters frequently overheat and burst into flames." Two pieces of total fiction in one sentence. Just last week I was mulling over the property tax bill of the electric company in MY town. They have listed the value of every transformer, every wire and every smart meter. It is obviously to their advantage to have these things look as cheap as possible. Wouldn't it make sense that if the smart meters were $3 each that they would be taxed at $3 each? On the tax charts is showed them, and honestly I can't quite remember, but it was either $450 each, or $540 each. Why would they pay property tax of hundreds of dollars on a $3 meter? The next part about frequently overheating and bursting into flames. Ya, wrong. I know of ZERO in real life that caused a house fire under normal conditions. Yes, I have seen the video of the meter in Australia that was in flames. They have had 18 fires, and near the end of that video it mentions that 15 were vandalism. Add the one burning in the video that was improper installation and that leaves two unexplained of 1.6 million. Is that "frequently"? I think not. I'm thinking of they had one improper installation out of 1.6 million, they maybe, just maybe, had three.

Here's another quote: "Meanwhile it (the smart electric system) is killing people and animals around the globe; ruining millions of lives, and devastating ecosystems". Ahhhh, ya know, seems a bit stretched to me.

So.... if one sentence has two such obvious blunders, and another quote is obviously a *tiny* bit exaggerated, how can we believe the other 26 pages? I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just saying this particular 27 pages may or may not be a reliable read.
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Re: smart meters

PostBy: Yanche On: Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:25 am

Freddy wrote:
coalnewbie wrote:http://www.channelingreality.com/Power/ ... _Nixon.pdf


I've always known that good science fiction is based on a certain mount of science fact. The above link takes you to what I consider science fiction. They take a certain amount of science, then add bushels of babbaldy-bull and present it as... I'm not just sure what, but it's certainly not fact. Here's one part: "They are cheap $3 pieces of junk, made in China, and not tested to meet any standards specifications; as such these meters frequently overheat and burst into flames." Two pieces of total fiction in one sentence. Just last week I was mulling over the property tax bill of the electric company in MY town. They have listed the value of every transformer, every wire and every smart meter. It is obviously to their advantage to have these things look as cheap as possible. Wouldn't it make sense that if the smart meters were $3 each that they would be taxed at $3 each? On the tax charts is showed them, and honestly I can't quite remember, but it was either $450 each, or $540 each. Why would they pay property tax of hundreds of dollars on a $3 meter? The next part about frequently overheating and bursting into flames. Ya, wrong. I know of ZERO in real life that caused a house fire under normal conditions. Yes, I have seen the video of the meter in Australia that was in flames. They have had 18 fires, and near the end of that video it mentions that 15 were vandalism. Add the one burning in the video that was improper installation and that leaves two unexplained of 1.6 million. Is that "frequently"? I think not. I'm thinking of they had one improper installation out of 1.6 million, they maybe, just maybe, had three.

Here's another quote: "Meanwhile it (the smart electric system) is killing people and animals around the globe; ruining millions of lives, and devastating ecosystems". Ahhhh, ya know, seems a bit stretched to me.

So.... if one sentence has two such obvious blunders, and another quote is obviously a *tiny* bit exaggerated, how can we believe the other 26 pages? I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just saying this particular 27 pages may or may not be a reliable read.

I agree with Freddy. I've scanned the referenced article. It's pure B.S. and an exaggeration of what little scientific truth there is in it. The smart power meters that have transmitters to convey measurement data to a central pole mounted server have very little RF power. It's not a safety risk. In addition it's a very, very low duty cycle. Less total dosage than using your cell phone on a short phone call. Any snooping would likely be done after all the data is done by the power company. Impossible to be done on a large scale by direct RF transmissions from the smart meter. It's just a document to get the uneducated ignorant masses something to bitch about.
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Re: smart meters

PostBy: rberq On: Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:33 am

Freddy wrote: I've always known that good science fiction is based on a certain mount of science fact ... if one sentence has two such obvious blunders, and another quote is obviously a *tiny* bit exaggerated, how can we believe the other 26 pages? ... this particular 27 pages may or may not be a reliable read.

Well said, Fred. Though "may or may not be a reliable read" is too forgiving. It's worse than not reliable -- it's total garbage.
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Re: smart meters

PostBy: rberq On: Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:44 am

Freddy wrote:Just last week I was mulling over the property tax bill of the electric company in MY town. They have listed the value of every transformer, every wire and every smart meter. It is obviously to their advantage to have these things look as cheap as possible.

I don't know for sure how utilities work in these deregulated times. But when I worked for CMP they were obsessive about keeping track of every nut and bolt, because the rates allowed by the Public Utilities Commission were intended to provide a specific return-on-investment. So the higher the documented investment, the more the company could collect from rate payers.

Now you folks who think the meters are destroying the environment, don't take any comfort from the above. The meters still are worth more than $3. You don't need to worry about these meters, all evidence points to the fact your brains have already been cooked by your cell phones.
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Re: smart meters

PostBy: Freddy On: Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:51 am

rberq wrote:"may or may not be a reliable read" is too forgiving. It's worse than not reliable -- it's total garbage.


Yaaa, well... I try not to offend anybody. And also, things change as time goes on & perhaps from the time I wrote that to the time I pushed "submit" the Earth turned flat, the oceans evaporated & everything in that article suddenly had a solid basis in fact. ;) *smile*
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