How Fast Can You Count?

CapeCoaler · Post by **CapeCoaler** » Mon. Mar. 12, 2012 11:31 pm

But a pass is a pass...
It's just black and white...

CapeCoaler · Post by **CapeCoaler** » Mon. Mar. 12, 2012 11:32 pm

Page two...
Did not see the damm monkey in the middle...

Post by **Richard S.** » Tue. Mar. 13, 2012 4:52 am

.......It's not like it's hard to miss either, he's right in the middle of the screen waving at you. LOL

They were doing similar thing on a magic show on TV, it wasn't regular magic show. Think it was a Penn and Teller special where they were going over how illusions work. They had a live audience for that and the Gorilla walked right through the middle of what they were doing. More than half of them never saw the gorilla. In that case they had some stars on the ground and you had to count something along the lines of how many times the actors in the white shirts stepped on the stars.

Seems a lot of people that got the count wrong saw the Gorilla?

freetown fred · Post by **freetown fred** » Tue. Mar. 13, 2012 6:32 am

Hell, if that were the case, I wouldn't even get in my truck.

jpete wrote:I had to take a similar test for statistical process control class. That's where I learned that 100% inspection is 70% effective.

And that's the reason I won't get on a plane.

jpete · Post by **jpete** » Tue. Mar. 13, 2012 7:16 am

freetown fred wrote:Hell, if that were the case, I wouldn't even get in my truck.
jpete wrote:I had to take a similar test for statistical process control class. That's where I learned that 100% inspection is 70% effective.

And that's the reason I won't get on a plane.

No one ever fell 30,000 feet out of an F150!

steamup · Post by **steamup** » Tue. Mar. 13, 2012 12:26 pm

CapeCoaler wrote:Page two...
Did not see the damm monkey in the middle...

Nor did it see the (800 lb) gorilla in the room ... too focused on counting.

LsFarm · Post by **LsFarm** » Tue. Mar. 13, 2012 12:58 pm

jpete wrote:
freetown fred wrote:Hell, if that were the case, I wouldn't even get in my truck.
No one ever fell 30,000 feet out of an F150!

No one fell 30,000 feet out of any airplane,, with the exception of the Aloha 737 that developed a sunroof, and a stewardess fell about 15,000 feet..

and I think the 747 that had a cargo hatch blow open lost a few customers from first class.. I don't remember the altitude that one was at..

But the bottom line, is the accidents happen on the ground, during taxiing, take off and landing.. flying is really quite safe,, getting away from the ground
and getting back on the ground is where the accidents are.. You are safer to stay aloft as long as you can !!

ON a serious note,, I've flown the Airbus A320 for over 10,000 hours.. over 15 years now.. and have never had to declare an emergency, or shut down an engine, or any form of major problem,, the worst 'write up' is usually some scum-bag customer gave their kids a box of crayons and let the brat color the seat, tv screen, tray table and anything else the parents could ignore.. and for $195/ticket they think they are entitled to deface and destroy $5000 worth of seats and tables..

Flying is increedibly safe.

Greg

jpete · Post by **jpete** » Tue. Mar. 13, 2012 1:25 pm

I worked in manufacturing too long and know too many alleged airframe mechanics I wouldn't trust to do an oil change on my F150.

I'm glad it's safe and all, but when it goes bad, it goes REAL bad.

I don't want to find out how many cart wheels I can do through a corn field if you get my meaning!

CapeCoaler · Post by **CapeCoaler** » Tue. Mar. 13, 2012 11:54 pm

When the time comes you are done...
Car, plane...
Hopefully neither...
Flying is safer per mile...
But you are correct a plane event is usually dramatic...

The counting thing...
What if it was a white Gorrilla...
Would more people notice it...
Focused on the white shirted folks...

Post by **franco b** » Wed. Mar. 14, 2012 1:57 pm

All this shows is that if you follow directions to count only white and to disregard all else, that's what happens.

jpete · Post by **jpete** » Wed. Mar. 14, 2012 2:46 pm

franco b wrote:All this shows is that if you follow directions to count only white and to disregard all else, that's what happens.

But that's the problem when it comes to things like inspecting manufactured parts.

If the job is to look for a crack, then all other defects are generally ignored.

Post by **franco b** » Wed. Mar. 14, 2012 4:02 pm

jpete wrote:If the job is to look for a crack, then all other defects are generally ignored.

Yes that's true but in general inspection is multifaceted and checklists and tools are provided to cover any suspected problem. Inspection and trouble shooting like many other things is a talent just like teaching or athleticism. Individuals can do a bad job whether on the manufacturing end or the inspection end. Those with the best quality control mostly come out on top, provided there is a free market.

jpete · Post by **jpete** » Wed. Mar. 14, 2012 5:43 pm

franco b wrote:
jpete wrote:If the job is to look for a crack, then all other defects are generally ignored.
Yes that's true but in general inspection is multifaceted and checklists and tools are provided to cover any suspected problem. Inspection and trouble shooting like many other things is a talent just like teaching or athleticism. Individuals can do a bad job whether on the manufacturing end or the inspection end. Those with the best quality control mostly come out on top, provided there is a free market.

I don't know where you work, but I've never been in a place like you describe.

My last job, where I was making parts for oil refineries, my parts weren't inspected at all. The machinist was responsible for inspection. After I got done making a part, it was put directly on the shipping rack.

And I worked with guys that scrapped parts left and right.

Post by **Richard S.** » Wed. Mar. 14, 2012 8:50 pm

franco b wrote:All this shows is that if you follow directions to count only white and to disregard all else, that's what happens.

Well it's beyond that, if you had just the white and black shirts tossing around the ball it would be hard to keep track of both because you can't process two things at once. As another example there is a test where they display colored words like purple, red, green etc. The words are not the same color they are spelling. By instinct you read the word and being able to say the color represented is problematic especially if you are not prepared for it. You literally have to force yourself not to read word.

Post by **franco b** » Wed. Mar. 14, 2012 9:23 pm

jpete wrote:
franco b wrote: Yes that's true but in general inspection is multifaceted and checklists and tools are provided to cover any suspected problem. Inspection and trouble shooting like many other things is a talent just like teaching or athleticism. Individuals can do a bad job whether on the manufacturing end or the inspection end. Those with the best quality control mostly come out on top, provided there is a free market.
I don't know where you work, but I've never been in a place like you describe.

My last job, where I was making parts for oil refineries, my parts weren't inspected at all. The machinist was responsible for inspection. After I got done making a part, it was put directly on the shipping rack.

And I worked with guys that scrapped parts left and right.

Maybe your place was low volume. Inspection and quality control was how the Japanese made their comeback after WW2.