To Re-light or not to re-light that is the question

To Re-light or not to re-light that is the question

PostBy: NWBuilder On: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:15 pm

Hi everyone,
I have an AHS 130 that I just got up and running back in January. It has done a beautiful job keeping my house in heat and hot water. From what I have read on here it is in the unit's best interest to run it year round if possible and that was my intention. Unfortunately, the other day hit almost 70 here and my fire went out presumeably from lack of a heat call. I have noticed as the temps have gone up my manometer was reading .01 which is down from the usual .02 to .04 I usually get. I have my SV set at 120 and have not experienced any of those nasty puff backs that seems to plague many AHS owners. Would I be fighting a loosing battle by trying to re light the unit with only a call for hot water in the AM and again in the PM. Even when the temps drop at night my house is pretty well insulated and I don't think there is much of a call for heat. Any thoughts and advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, NWB
NWBuilder
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Ahs 130
Coal Size/Type: Burning Pea anthracite

Re: To Re-light or not to re-light that is the question

PostBy: Freddy On: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:24 pm

I go through the same line of thinking. For me it comes down to the almighty dollar. If I calculate that it's cheaper to burn coal all year, then that's what I'm going to do. You gotta make hot water somehow! The AA's don't need much draft... but do make sure your CO detectors are working.
Freddy
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 130 (pea)
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Reading piece o' junk in the barn (rice)
Coal Size/Type: Pea size, Superior, deep mined

Re: To Re-light or not to re-light that is the question

PostBy: NWBuilder On: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:28 pm

The problem is Freddy how do I keep it lite if there isn't a call. I am not as concerned about the cost of the oil versus the cost of the coal as much as the benefit to the coal unit burning year round. Oil is easier in the warm months that's for sure. And thanks for the CO advice they are one year old with fresh batteries, should be good to go. Very important!!
NWBuilder
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Ahs 130
Coal Size/Type: Burning Pea anthracite

Re: To Re-light or not to re-light that is the question

PostBy: Rob R. On: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:34 pm

Unless you have a very strong-drafting chimney, you will probably need to install a repeat-cycle timer that periodically "fluffs" the fire and keeps it burning. Nearly every other stoker manufacturer includes a timer with their control package, but AHS does not.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: To Re-light or not to re-light that is the question

PostBy: NWBuilder On: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:39 pm

Thanks Rob, do you know if I can get a recycle timer through AHS and are they difficult to install?
NWBuilder
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Ahs 130
Coal Size/Type: Burning Pea anthracite

Re: To Re-light or not to re-light that is the question

PostBy: Rob R. On: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:46 pm

At this time AHS does not offer a timer for your boiler. Forum member lsayre recently posted that he called them to inquire and they said they are considering it. I have used Intermatic timers in several applications with good results, so they seem like an easy choice. The C8865 model is a 1-hour timer that you can set to run the fan for 1-2 minutes per hour.

You can read the rest of the discussion here: It's heading into the low 70's for 4-5 consecutive days ...

NWBuilder wrote:are they difficult to install?


That depends on how comfortable you are with basic wiring.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: To Re-light or not to re-light that is the question

PostBy: NWBuilder On: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:52 pm

Thanks Rob, I will look into it.
NWBuilder
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Ahs 130
Coal Size/Type: Burning Pea anthracite

Re: To Re-light or not to re-light that is the question

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:15 pm

NWBuilder wrote:I have noticed as the temps have gone up my manometer was reading .01 which is down from the usual .02 to .04 I usually get.

The lower draft #s would be expected on warmer days. If you are getting two calls a day for heat, you may not have a problem. The AHS and Axeman's fire will easily run a day or two with no power before they die. The draft reading doesn't mean much of anything at idle as the draft is bypassing the fire when the fan isn't running. The observation port door opens when the fan is off.
Keep in mind these beasts defy logic sometimes. :)
coaledsweat
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260M
Coal Size/Type: Pea

Re: To Re-light or not to re-light that is the question

PostBy: whistlenut On: Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:36 pm

NW, the timer you are looking for is Tork (I think they bought out Intermatic some time ago, and my rep says this is the cross to the older Intermatics).
I have 6 of them in service and they are like night and day from older units to the new replacements.

Tork ACT30M 30 Minute Adjustable Cycle Timer, 1/2 min. increments' Look around for better pricing, but this is close to what I paid over a year ago. Bulletproof...nice timing device.


http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/electrical/timers/electronic/120-208-240v-120-min-adjustable-cycle-timer-fs-box?u
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
whistlenut
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AA130's,260's, AHS130&260's,EFM900,GJ&VanWert
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Franks Boiler,Itasca415,NYer130,Van Wert
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Yellow Flame
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska-4,Keystoker-2,
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Alaska,Gibraltor,Keystone,Vc Vigilant 2
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Van Wert, NYer's, Ford,Jensen.
Coal Size/Type: Rice,Buck,Pea,Nut&Stove
Other Heating: Oil HWBB

Re: To Re-light or not to re-light that is the question

PostBy: NWBuilder On: Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:51 am

Thanks Whistlenut, I will look into one. I need to get that bad boy fired back up again, I miss my hot showers. Oil just isn't the same anymore.
NWBuilder
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Ahs 130
Coal Size/Type: Burning Pea anthracite

Re: To Re-light or not to re-light that is the question

PostBy: NWBuilder On: Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:37 am

whistlenut wrote:NW, the timer you are looking for is Tork (I think they bought out Intermatic some time ago, and my rep says this is the cross to the older Intermatics).
I have 6 of them in service and they are like night and day from older units to the new replacements.

Tork ACT30M 30 Minute Adjustable Cycle Timer, 1/2 min. increments' Look around for better pricing, but this is close to what I paid over a year ago. Bulletproof...nice timing device.


http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/electrical/timers/electronic/120-208-240v-120-min-adjustable-cycle-timer-fs-box?u
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


I tried the link that you sent and was not taken to a specific unit. Could you please tell me the exact unit you use as there are 8 or 10 variations on this unit. Thanks very much, Ken
NWBuilder
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Ahs 130
Coal Size/Type: Burning Pea anthracite

Re: To Re-light or not to re-light that is the question

PostBy: Rob R. On: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:55 am

Try model ACT120M. It says up to 62 minutes on, 62 minutes off, and it is 120 volt.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: To Re-light or not to re-light that is the question

PostBy: NWBuilder On: Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:25 am

Rob R. wrote:Try model ACT120M. It says up to 62 minutes on, 62 minutes off, and it is 120 volt.

Thanks Rob!
NWBuilder
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Ahs 130
Coal Size/Type: Burning Pea anthracite

Re: To Re-light or not to re-light that is the question

PostBy: lsayre On: Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:20 pm

Rob R. wrote:Try model ACT120M. It says up to 62 minutes on, 62 minutes off, and it is 120 volt.


The minimum "on time" for this timer is 2 minutes in every 62 minutes. Would the Intermatic C8865 be more flexible here, and offer the option of 30 seconds or 1 minute of "on" per every 60 minutes? Or is 2 minutes of fan running each hour ideal for the Coal Guns?
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Stockton Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (13.5 KW)

Re: To Re-light or not to re-light that is the question

PostBy: Rob R. On: Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:43 pm

I prefer the flexibility of the Intermatic, but he asked about the Tork units.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy