Does this executive order signed 3/16 nationalize industry?

Re: Does this executive order signed 3/16 nationalize industry?

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:24 pm

Come on you can't be that dense not to know the difference between the different scenarios & times, one has nothing to do with the others. The lady was probably beat by someone that listens to & actually believes some of these hate mongers on both radio & TV these days. For someone that keeps saying how we as a country should go back in time you sure can't bring yourself to forget the now & think about what was known in real time.
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Re: Does this executive order signed 3/16 nationalize industry?

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:30 pm

What I know in "real time" is that anything that violates our right to life, liberty, or the pursuit... is wrong.

And locking up tens of thousands of Americans, on the off chance a handful MIGHT be spies is, was, and always will be, wrong.

Just as I know this EO is wrong, merely because it carries the force of law which is a power not vested in the executive branch.
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Re: Does this executive order signed 3/16 nationalize industry?

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:51 pm

What would you propose then, not having any way of being able to secure supplies if needed for a unforeseen war or event?
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Re: Does this executive order signed 3/16 nationalize industry?

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:57 pm

samhill wrote:What would you propose then, not having any way of being able to secure supplies if needed for a unforeseen war or event?


How about following the Scouts motto and "Be Prepared?

You do realize you could be affected by this EO too right?

You willing to hand over your well to the government so they can "secure supplies"?

You ready to go to prison for using water out of your own well during an "unforeseen event"?
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Re: Does this executive order signed 3/16 nationalize industry?

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:08 pm

Jpete, I posted a link with the EO, would you kindly point out those sections where I could go to jail for using my own water, & believe me if someone needs some of my well water they are more than welcome. Just how is the Gov. supposed to be prepared like a boy scout without some sort of guidelines to go by, even the scouts have to know what they will need & how & where they can get it.
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Re: Does this executive order signed 3/16 nationalize industry?

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:22 pm

samhill wrote:Jpete, I posted a link with the EO, would you kindly point out those sections where I could go to jail for using my own water, & believe me if someone needs some of my well water they are more than welcome. Just how is the Gov. supposed to be prepared like a boy scout without some sort of guidelines to go by, even the scouts have to know what they will need & how & where they can get it.


So you think the government will let you use it after they claim it for themselves?

What does misuse of government property usually buy you?

How did you make it 80 years and still be so naive?

What happened during WWII to anyone caught violating wage and price controls or rationing laws?
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Re: Does this executive order signed 3/16 nationalize industry?

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:32 pm

jpete wrote:How did you make it 80 years and still be so naive?

Sam is not 80, I am. He was referring to me in his comment. He is just a young kid.
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Re: Does this executive order signed 3/16 nationalize industry?

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:40 pm

franco b wrote:
jpete wrote:How did you make it 80 years and still be so naive?

Sam is not 80, I am. He was referring to me in his comment. He is just a young kid.


Sorry, must have read that one wrong.

If Sam is a "young kid" to you, heck, I must be an embryo. :D
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Re: Does this executive order signed 3/16 nationalize industry?

PostBy: rockwood On: Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:36 pm

samhill wrote:What would you propose then, not having any way of being able to secure supplies if needed for a unforeseen war or event?


Being prepared is one thing but wielding this kind of power in the context of "an unforeseen war or event"..?....Do you realize the magnitude of this way of thinking?

This is nothing less than dictatorial power or authority.

There are no limits to such a concept. This is why the framers of our constitution set up the govt. they way they did...to prevent such abuses of power which ultimately threaten true liberty.
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Re: Does this executive order signed 3/16 nationalize industry?

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:06 am

Just goes to show how closely you read Jpete, now where in that EO does it say they are going to take my water? If they keep fracking it may no longer be water anyway but that's another subject. Just so you know I'm still a few months shy of 65 but especially in the mornings feel well over what I used to guess what well over 80 was like now I have to redo my calculations on that.
Just wondering if there was this big of a deal when this EO had been re-done before or is it just something you all suddenly discovered? Weren't the railroads at one time nationalized & then given back after having been greatly improved under something similar to if not this order?
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Re: Does this executive order signed 3/16 nationalize industry?

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:25 am

samhill wrote:Just wondering if there was this big of a deal when this EO had been re-done before or is it just something you all suddenly discovered? Weren't the railroads at one time nationalized & then given back after having been greatly improved under something similar to if not this order?


Yes Sam, I've already pointed out that this EO is something most of us just recently discovered. Likely you too.

I don't really sit around all day reading EO's.

And yes the railroads WERE nationalize, but NO, they weren't all given back. The government retained the passenger lines. It's called Amtrak and has been a black hole for dollars ever since.

The freight lines, known as Conrail, were sold off and have been profitable ever since.
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Re: Does this executive order signed 3/16 nationalize industry?

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:28 am

samhill wrote:Just goes to show how closely you read Jpete, now where in that EO does it say they are going to take my water? If they keep fracking it may no longer be water anyway but that's another subject.


Maybe you ought to read more closely.

Sec. 201. Priorities and Allocations Authorities. (a) The authority of the President conferred by section 101 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071, to require acceptance and priority performance of contracts or orders (other than contracts of employment) to promote the national defense over performance of any other contracts or orders, and to allocate materials, services, and facilities as deemed necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense, is delegated to the following agency heads:

(5) the Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources; and


That bit about "necessary and appropriate" give them latitude to do anything and everything if the SecDef says it's need for "national defense" and you sucking out of an aquifer doesn't qualify.
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Re: Does this executive order signed 3/16 nationalize industry?

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:51 am

Sounds more to me that it deals with those thar have Gov. contracts or orders for supplies already but it any eventthe lake has 77 miles of shoreline & I'm a half mile or better away from the lake so I'm not too worried. I would think the folks on city water piped in might have more to worry about in terms of rationing.
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Re: Does this executive order signed 3/16 nationalize industry?

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:54 am

samhill wrote:Sounds more to me that it deals with those thar have Gov. contracts or orders for supplies already but it any eventthe lake has 77 miles of shoreline & I'm a half mile or better away from the lake so I'm not too worried. I would think the folks on city water piped in might have more to worry about in terms of rationing.


Do you know in some parts of the country it is ALREADY illegal to put a bucket in your yard to collect rainwater?

If you don't think they will claim the aquifer that feeds your well if they want it then you are going to be unpleasantly surprised.
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Re: Does this executive order signed 3/16 nationalize industry?

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:03 pm

Jpete, I would suggest that you look up every other country on this planet, find one that you like & run there as fast as you possibly can before you drive yourself totally insane. Think what you want but leave me out of all this negative America is coming to get you crap. See ya.
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