Does this executive order signed 3/16 nationalize industry?

The amazing thing is that if the Federal Government was still being properly defined and limited in its scope by the Constitution we would not be having this discussion. Everything boils down to the sworn oath and the honor of those sworn to uphold the letter of the Constitution.

samhill wrote:Jpete, I would suggest that you look up every other country on this planet, find one that you like & run there as fast as you possibly can before you drive yourself totally insane. Think what you want but leave me out of all this negative America is coming to get you crap. See ya.

Ah! The old "America! Love it or leave it!" defense.

Well played Sam, well played.

Stick you head back in the sand and pretend everything is fine. I'm sure nothing bad will happen.

Havn't been in for a few days, gotta congrat Francob for his spunk at 80! I am 28 years your junior and I grew up with a bunch of vets from Europe and the Pacific. Most of them were unlike anyone I know today. Not sure how to define it better. And I heard many of them say years ago that it was time for another revolution in this country. They knew what they fought for and they knew it was being taken away.

Kevin

And the love it or leave it proves you are losing Sam!

Doesn't prove anything except that I'm tired of this crap Kevin, I'll stand by my statement that there is very little patriotism left even after 9/11 it was a fleeting moment in time, only a few months then right back to the me, me, me what's in it for me attitude. We have become a nation that is comfortable at war so as long as "me" isn't affected directly "me" does't care.

Patriotism =/= letting government do whatever it wants...

jpete wrote:

samhill wrote:We could argue the use of the meaning of words & get no where just like this whole thing has been going. So now a law means nothing if you don't agree with it, I'm sure you could find many that agree. I personally feel that it is OK to obey the law even if I feel it isn't moral, right or just but doing so will keep me out of jail. Remember he who has the gold makes the rules.

Did you take an oath to uphold the Constitution?

If someone made a law that was unconstitutional, and ordered you to enforce it, what would you do?

Ever hear of the concept of nullification? Ever hear of the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions?

If you think it's possible to learn from history, maybe you can learn a few things from them.

I think this is relevant.