Does this executive order signed 3/16 nationalize industry?

jpete wrote:So the government has to strip our rights to protect our rights?

It's a theme thing. They also had to abandon capitalism ( a trite euphemism for abolishing it) in order to save it.

They also abandoned our right to protest, though (so far at least) only wherever Secret Service agents may be in the vicinity. 1st Amendment be damned.

They also have abandoned our absolute right as citizens to council and a speedy trial, though only if someone "suspects" us of being terrorists (for now). 6th Amendment be damned.

It's becoming clear that as citizens we have no rights, only privileges. And they are starting to be revoked.

Not according to Sam.

It's the reason we fight wars. Although I'm not sure which "right" the current wars are protecting.

Not necessarily talking about the present wars Jpete, talking about the need for the executive order. Once again you go off in a different direction & try to put words in my mouth. Just what rights has this EO taken away from you? There is very little different in the wording in the newest one & even less in the meaning, just some things have changed in so far as who does what if it ever has to be used. It's to protect & preserve the country for the good of all.

samhill wrote:Not necessarily talking about the present wars Jpete, talking about the need for the executive order. Once again you go off in a different direction & try to put words in my mouth. Just what rights has this EO taken away from you? There is very little different in the wording in the newest one & even less in the meaning, just some things have changed in so far as who does what if it ever has to be used. It's to protect & preserve the country for the good of all.

So you think we have to give up our rights in order to save our rights?

I think I'm going to utilize my right to get out of this ridiculist conversation, you just go on counting the rights & complaining about it while using it to do so. Remember a vote for Ron Paul is Well it's a vote for Ron Paul, that's your right.

Kitchen getting a bit warm Sam?

I understand.

Not warm at all, just never came across anyone that appears to hate the country that he uses & thinks his rights are or were free. I'll even ask once again just what rights of yours have been lost due to this EO, it seems to be something you prefer not to answer & you can even do it in English instead of German or Japanese since you think no one paid for that right for you.

Hey Sam why don't you and all your lefty friends move to Cuba and take your hope and change and obama with you.All you guys think about how is the government going to take care of YOU . Let's see how that works out for ya

samhill wrote:Not warm at all, just never came across anyone that appears to hate the country that he uses & thinks his rights are or were free. I'll even ask once again just what rights of yours have been lost due to this EO, it seems to be something you prefer not to answer & you can even do it in English instead of German or Japanese since you think no one paid for that right for you.

Says the man who accuse others of thinking only of themselves....

This is a danger to EVERYONE'S rights. Your's too. I'm sure you don't think so because as we all know, "if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about", but that begs the question, what were the Japanese interred during WWII (you remember, the one fought to "defend" rights) doing "wrong"?

It's not who or what IS or HAS BEEN affected by this EO, it's THAT it exists.

Tell me again, which branch of government makes law? I always get confused between the legislative and the executive branch.

And just to be clear, the last time this country was threatened, we'd still be speaking English, because the year was 1812.

Everything since have been wars to churn the economy. You know, all those Big Business people you hate so much but don't seem to mind dying for....

Hotfor coal, don't know what your talking about, I'm not & never have gotten much of anything that I didn't work for & just the fact that I'm lucky enough to have been born in America & have the rights I have thanks to others before me & doing my own part as well. This is my home & I'm proud of it.

Jpete, won't even bother asking again.

samhill wrote:Jpete, won't even bother asking again.

Sam, if I pulled the pin and handed you a live grenade, have I done you any harm?

I mean, until it blows up in your face, what's the problem right?

I don't know how to make it clearer.

This EO is a bomb waiting to go off and maybe...MAYBE you'll get it then. But of course, it'll be too late.

Well I've been around longer than most here & this EO has been around longer than me so I wouldn't be surprised if that grenade is a dud, let's see how many seconds is a fuse good for.

samhill wrote:Well I've been around longer than most here & this EO has been around longer than me so I wouldn't be surprised if that grenade is a dud, let's see how many seconds is a fuse good for.

How long was the bill that eventually became the PATRIOT Act around before 2001?

How long were Cheney and Rumsfeld around before they got a chance to do any damage?

Heard they found a WWII bomb in France the other day. Sure seemed like they treated it as "live". That is usually the most prudent thing, don't you think?

Jpete, just what era do you want to go back to? As now you want all we have without ever having to pay for anything, all the advances we have made all came with a price but you want everything for nothing.