Does this executive order signed 3/16 nationalize industry?

samhill wrote:Jpete, just what era do you want to go back to? As now you want all we have without ever having to pay for anything, all the advances we have made all came with a price but you want everything for nothing.

I'm not sure where you got that idea.

Let's put it this way. Do you believe the path we took through history was the ONLY way to end up where we are today?

And assuming there was a different series of events from 1776 until today, can you say with any certainty that things would be WORSE, or is there some possibility that we'd be better off?

In all seriousness there Jpete are you ok?
If there were a different series of events from 1776 till now could I say with certainty how things would be
The path of history is just that, history. At the time things are done to the best of the knowledge of that particular time, sure mistakes could have been made & if so easy to identify decades after the fact hindsight has always been 20/20. You can never go back, we are where we are & can only hope for the future & learn from the past.

Hind sight is 20/20? Then why do you want to keep repeating what got us here for the last 100 years since Wilson created the Fed, and Roosevelt bullied the government into submission to create more and more spending? If following the path we have taken is your goal, you are a socialist. And it is becoming more apparent with this dud from nowhere we have for a president. Extreme corruption and cronyism, hallmarks of communist, socialist, and fascist states. AND before you divert the subject, it is both the R's and D's.

Kevin

One of the main modifications that President Obama has entered into this his rendition of the EO is that he makes it clear that we are now 100% full time serfs. Previously we were only to be made serfs in the event of invasion or a serious national emergency, but this restriction is one of the main things which President Obama has revised. We now stand to become nationalized serfs of the State at any time and for any reason that any President desires. Section 201 article (b) states that the implementation of this EO can occur "under both emergency and non-emergency conditions". That pretty much gives the President the carte blanche power to declair martial law purely at whim and make us serfs of the State regardless of whether there are any serious national defense or national disaster related circumstances or not.

Right you all are there is even proof of an order for 5,000 new black helicopters near the end of this conservative link.
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/18/n ... or-update/

Personally I would have been a bit happier with President Obama if he had rescinded all of the previous decades worth of built up levels of this EO rather than adding more draconian stuff to it. Does a nation which prides itself in being different from all others specifically in having a Constitution that defines sovereign freedom (I.E., unalienable rights as opposed to revocable privileges) really need to have this threat hanging over our heads?

And where does Congress sit with all of this EO stuff? There is no representative republican form of governance in any of it, or in the Czars, the mysterious need for a civilian force as big and well funded and powerful as the military, etc... How can we still consider ourselves a Republic? Sam, do you feel that you still live in a representative Republic?

To me this EO seems to be laying the groundwork for the coming civilian force that rivals the military in strength. What will this force do? How did President Obama get elected after he proclaimed a need for such a force? Will we all be conscripted into this force, or will there perhaps merely come a day when right after High School or College (via a deferment) our children will be drafted into a 4 year hitch in the civilian corps? Sam, how do you feel about this promised civilian force? Will we see it implemented in term 2, when President Obama will be far less concerned with re-election, and far more concerned with accomplishing all of his stated goals and objectives? Or is this civilian force thing just more black helicopters stuff, perhaps said merely as a joke before the "yes we can" bobble-heads to see how willing to be lead like sheep they had become?

samhill wrote:In all seriousness there Jpete are you ok?
If there were a different series of events from 1776 till now could I say with certainty how things would be
The path of history is just that, history. At the time things are done to the best of the knowledge of that particular time, sure mistakes could have been made & if so easy to identify decades after the fact hindsight has always been 20/20. You can never go back, we are where we are & can only hope for the future & learn from the past.

I think Kevin pretty much covered it.

You jump on me, telling me I hate the country, because I can look and see what I consider mistakes and would like to avoid them in the future.

What would you have me do? Sit back and tell anyone trying to make things better that they hate the country?

Isayre, we have been living in a Corpocracy for a long time & it just recently came out in the open with the Supreme Court decision, there's nothing new here this has all been going on most likely since day one. Only now there are talking heads that have been taking over the thought process for many, paranoia runs rampant.

samhill wrote:Isayre, we have been living in a Corpocracy for a long time & it just recently came out in the open with the Supreme Court decision, there's nothing new here this has all been going on most likely since day one. Only now there are talking heads that have been taking over the thought process for many, paranoia runs rampant.

It seems to me that what you call rampant paranoia, I call a desire for sovereign freedom. What I can't understand is that if you perceive the devolution that we are going through as we descend into this corprotocracy well enough to recognize that it has been going on for decades, why do you seemingly embrace and welcome it? Is it OK to perceive and then embrace it, and then shrug and say we have it so we must go on and live with (or deal with) it, but paranoia to say that enough is enough and its time to stop the devolution?

And as to my paranoia over the civilian force that is as well funded and powerful as our military, was that just my paranoia, or was that Barak Obama promising his masses that he would indeed accomplish this? Perhaps I was just hearing voices, but then back in the 20's a guy named Adolph Hitler wrote a book detailing his plans and everyone figured it was just talk, so perhaps we should just consider this promise of a civilian force to be mere talk and move on.

If you want to stop it then everyone has to start thinking for themselves & quit the blame game. Just as this EO has been here since 39 & every Pres. has renewed & or revised it all of Obama it's panic time, it's now become blame the ***** guy, it's alive & well in the U.S.A..

samhill wrote:If you want to stop it then everyone has to start thinking for themselves & quit the blame game. Just as this EO has been here since 39 & every Pres. has renewed & or revised it all of Obama it's panic time, it's now become blame the ***** guy, it's alive & well in the U.S.A..

Somehow I fail to see the blame that you see. I do however recall voting for Alan Keyes in a Republican primary some years ago. And my wife claims that she has written him in on a write in ballot in every Presidential election since. So I fail to see the "**** guy" side of this with respect to myself and my family. I could easily see Walter Williams or Thomas Sowell getting my vote for the Presidency. It's the policies and beliefs that matter, and nothing else. My concern is more in line with the stated promise of a civilian force, and the means (such as this EO,) whereby it could become a reality.

samhill wrote:If you want to stop it then everyone has to start thinking for themselves & quit the blame game. Just as this EO has been here since 39 & every Pres. has renewed & or revised it all of Obama it's panic time, it's now become blame the ***** guy, it's alive & well in the U.S.A..

Did he renew the EO or didn't he? Is that a statement of fact?

No one "blamed" Obama. But facts are facts.

I'm sure omniscience is wonderful for you. The rest of us have to react to information as we become aware of it.

There is no more written into the EO than there ever has been, as for the need of it I stated early on that I wouldn't trust any of these big corp's that would be considered necessary for defense to step up to the plate & be for the good of the country. Even back in WW2 as someone pointed out there was resistance by some & that was before they all became global & most aren't even American based any longer. I don't think there will ever be another global conventional war but there again WW1 was the war to end all wars. We would need a huge police force just to keep civilians from killing one another while they were at the grocery. As for the race remark it was intended as a general one directed at no one in particular, it just seems to be the only common denominator The man is wrong if he does something & wrong if he doesn't, I don't agree with everything but he inherited the biggest mess perhaps ever but at least in recent times.

samhill wrote: he inherited the biggest mess perhaps ever but at least in recent times.

And when he does something to "Change" it for the better, I'll be the first to say so.

But so far, he looks a lot like the third Bush term from here.

But that's understandable, because they've all been roughly the same for all my life.

Amen to that jpete. There has to be a change in the direction of this country. Enough of these figureheads of someone other then the people.

kevin