Obamacare

Obamacare

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:29 am

LOL! No peas for me either and don’t want them forced down me but it will continue. Hands up all those that think SCOTUS will overturn it. Sotomayer, the left wing stooge, is almost thinking of overturning it - HAH. This has as much suspense as a A team rerun, wake me up when this farce is over. Yawn.
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Re: Obamacare

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:36 am

What if the SC only gives us the appearance that they are about to overturn it, and then when it comes down to the actual vote it is not overturned? Stay awake and stay alert.
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Re: Obamacare

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:55 am

It'll be 5-4 either way. And I'm not betting they'll overturn it to be honest.
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Re: Obamacare

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:17 pm

My guess is that one of the supposedly conservative Justices will cave and vote to uphold it.
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Re: Obamacare

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:55 pm

Now you have ruined the story by revealing the very obvious end.
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Re: Obamacare

PostBy: coalkirk On: Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:23 am

I'm not usually very optimistic about such things but I think the part that forces you to buy insurance will be ruled unconstitutional. It's a bastardization of the commerce clause.
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Re: Obamacare

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:16 pm

coalkirk wrote: It's a bastardization of the commerce clause.


So is everything else they do under the CC.

From the water in your toilet to the alcohol in your blood, it's all outside the scope of the CC.
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Re: Obamacare

PostBy: lsayre On: Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:41 pm

Yes, in our crazy USA corporations are people, and people are commercial resources. One of my pet peeves is the term 'human resource'. I'm not a human resource, I'm a human being. The former might as well be a slave.
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Re: Obamacare

PostBy: rberq On: Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:41 pm

coalkirk wrote:I think the part that forces you to buy insurance will be ruled unconstitutional.

How about the part that forces me to buy interstate highways and TSA screening equipment and schools and nuclear weapons and national parks and new levees on the Mississippi?
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Re: Obamacare

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:56 pm

rberq wrote:
coalkirk wrote:I think the part that forces you to buy insurance will be ruled unconstitutional.

How about the part that forces me to buy interstate highways and TSA screening equipment and schools and nuclear weapons and national parks and new levees on the Mississippi?


Bob did you hear or read any of the transcripts of the Supreme Court hearings over the last couple of days? Why don't you do that and then come back and ask your question again. It's all right there on http://www.supremecourt.gov. Doing so will let you not look so uninformed.
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Re: Obamacare

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:58 pm

Don't forget who sold that airport screening equipment, none other than Michael Chernoff. Maybe if they weren't too busy ripping us off rebuilding Iraq they got Haliburton to install them.
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Re: Obamacare

PostBy: rberq On: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:17 pm

lowfog01 wrote:Bob did you hear or read any of the transcripts of the Supreme Court hearings over the last couple of days? .... Doing so will let you not look so uninformed.

Sure I did. I LIKE broccoli. You would tell Albert Einstein he was uninformed, if he didn't agree with your politics.
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Re: Obamacare

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:06 pm

rberq wrote:How about the part that forces me to buy interstate highways


Funded with fuel taxes, don't buy fuel and you don;t pay these taxes. What I do take exception too is those taxes being used for other transportation projects outside the scope of automobile transportation. FYI the Interstate system is necessity for the defense of this country if war were ever to come here. It's one of the reasons it was built in the first place. It has to be done at federal level other wise you would be stuck with a bunch of small systems that were geared towards serving the interests of the state. Nevada and Nebraska for example would have little interest in maintaining Rt. 80.


and TSA screening equipment


If these costs are not are already collected as part of the the tickets purchased by consumers they should be.

and schools


Schools are necessary and funded with local and state taxes for the most part. How those taxes are collected and spent is of course debatable but it's a local issue.



and nuclear weapons


It's part of the national defense so not debatable.


and national parks


Should be entirely supported by user fees and/or handed over to private entities with some very strict guidelines in how they can be developed/commercialized.

and new levees on the Mississippi?


This is really a national issue as so many communities are built near the water, kind of hard to go back 300 or 400 years and tell people not to build there. If the federal government was not taking such a huge chunk of taxes perhaps local communities would be able to do this themselves. Having said that we had the recent flooding here in the Wyoming Valley a few years after they raised the dike. They spent about 200 million since Agnes in 1972, 150 million of that was federal funds. Agnes caused nearly 3 billion in damages and at the time was considered the worst natural disaster the US had ever seen, if that levee wasn't in place the costs would have been astronomical.

These projects should be done locally but until the federal government gets their hands out of everyone pockets and let the states and local governments who are better equipped to determine what will benefit them it won't be possible.
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Re: Obamacare

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:15 pm

As far as what the SCOTUS decision might be the one thing I do know is if they rule it unconstitutional the most collosal failure of all time will be pinned on the Democrats. It's shame too because they had golden opportunity to address a serious problem in this country but instead gave us this POS Obamacare. "Health care" reform is going to leave a bitter taste in the mouths of all Americans and bringing this t the table again for any party is going to be political suicide for quite some time.
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Re: Obamacare

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:54 am

All very inspiring but nonsense. If the SC was strictly legal why would all decisions seem to be based on politics, they are all bought and paid for. Money will change hands on the Caymans and votes fudged and it will be made to look like a cliff hanger (yawn). The comedy will go on but it will be 5 to 4 and look like you almost had a choice and a voice. Sorry! They will play around with the mandate part but in the end that won't matter as ways will be found around that one and the 2700 page document will stick. So Hannibal Smith wins the day again and the A team rides off into the sunset. Yawn, oh well back to bed.

Just a point of law, everyone knew this document was 2700 pages and if reading it is "cruel and unusual punishment" why did they even agree to hear the case? So the supreme court of the land will issue a decision without reading the pivotal document? Magnificent!
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