Obama's EPA has crushed coal plants

Re: Obama's EPA has crushed coal plants

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:51 pm

I totally agree about the gas prices, they are capping some wells rather than producing hoping that the price will go up & in doing so it will more than likely cause the price to rise.
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Re: Obama's EPA has crushed coal plants

PostBy: Rex On: Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:57 pm

Folks, we need this guy out of office, PERIOD...

The idea of closing coal plants is the goal of increasing the energy rates. The increased electrical rates need to be on the SAME energy cost levels produced by Wind Energy. Wind Energy is EXPENSIVE and a SCAM. The Production Tax Credits are running out on Wind by the end of the year. They cant subsidize down the cost of Wind Energy enough to equal that of coal energy so closing coal plants will be the only way to "equal" the playing field.

Enjoy your increased electrical cost!!
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Re: Obama's EPA has crushed coal plants

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:06 pm

The old plants that are closing due in part to the new mercury standards will reduce deposition rates here in the US 1% to 10% resulting in the average IQ increasing 2/1000 of one point......... at at least if you want to go by EPA figures.


Luckily the EPA does not have to deal with the real world of epidemiology and statistical power of studies. To differentiate that difference in the population study groups with a 95% confidence interval my back of the envelop calculations means we would have to test the entire planet Earth and about 15 other worlds of the same populations assuming we can find a placebo control and assuming there as not a multimodal interference between planets. How about looking at the planet Krypton. Of course you can't even measure IQ that closely except Obama supporters are statistically very close to zero. Idiots.

.......Or we could just take Sams word for it...


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.. I slay myself. Yet another screw up from the ecolunies on the left (yawn).
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Re: Obama's EPA has crushed coal plants

PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:23 pm

Whoa Dude, this is getting intense. :drool: toothy You look younger then I thought in the new avatar ;) And YES, Rex, you are absoutly correct.
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Re: Obama's EPA has crushed coal plants

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:33 pm

Me in my garden. Now did Yanche say green to green or green to black (much prettier). Damn, I'll never get this right.
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Re: Obama's EPA has crushed coal plants

PostBy: Ctyankee On: Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:40 pm

If there are designs for home-size nuclear power electric generators, how come someone hasn't come up with an efficient home-size coal electric generator?
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Re: Obama's EPA has crushed coal plants

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:41 pm

samhill wrote:I totally agree about the gas prices, they are capping some wells rather than producing hoping that the price will go up & in doing so it will more than likely cause the price to rise.


It's working......... It was around this time last year NG broke trough the cost barrier on coal. Note the huge surplus at that time.

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Re: Obama's EPA has crushed coal plants

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:49 pm

Ctyankee wrote:If there are designs for home-size nuclear power electric generators, how come someone hasn't come up with an efficient home-size coal electric generator?


Actually it's been discussed here, I recall at least one topic a few years back and Yanche had posted in it. The issue was not the cost of production but other factors like the cost of building the generator. You need to convert the coal energy into something you can use to drive a mechanical device.... steam. From there the cost of building a generator for one individual is a lot and you're going to run into the same issue as renewables which is storage of that electric.
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Re: Obama's EPA has crushed coal plants

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:42 pm

Before I retired we were working in the Boiler House which also had two gas generators + the boilers, we had to take a brake when they had to turn some goggle valves & I found a article about small efficient steam turbines in Popular Science. When the engineer came to approve our walkway design I showed it to him, they had several steam pipes that were always letting excess steam off the boilers. Anyway the next year we put a double platform in for two turbines & I heard they added at least two more, don't recall how many KWs they produced but it must be pretty good if they went with it & all off of steam they normally wasted.
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Stop the left's war on coal

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:35 pm

Tell your legislators to stop this BS.

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Re: Stop the left's war on coal

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:23 am

I'm sure that Alpha buying out Massey (which was found guilty in the deaths of miners) & now deciding to focus on the more lucrative metallurgical coal has nothing to do with it. Just like buyouts in any business they them streamline their operation & close the marginal parts.
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Re: Stop the left's war on coal

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:37 am

Whoa Sam I could never have guessed you'd say something like that.. :shock:
Don't mention the Volts that catch fire, the windmills that kill bald eagles that the enviro weenies ignore, their attempts to shut down oil exploration because a stinkbug might be traumatized, or the $500,000,000.00 Obama blew on SOLYNDRA with a return on investment of ZERO minus $500,000,000.00 tax payer dollars. Forget about his $2,000,000,000.00 oil exploration loan to BRAZIL so we can "be their best customers". (Soros has been to the white hut quite a few more times than Bebe.) Don't worry about the pain at the pump, you don't need to get out much or make a living. Glad you're a fan of the coming 25 cents a kw hr., I guess you have your own EPA approved kerosene well for lighting.

If you're riding a horse, and the horse farts too much, you don't starve the horse to death before you have another one.

Liberal logic:

Bash the coal industry as all bad across the boards while posting on a coal lover's forum using electricity generated by coal.
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Re: Stop the left's war on coal

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:17 am

Dann, it's cheap NG, bottom line those coal fired power plants have already been replaced. You don't seem to cry about the steam locomotives, the irons that they heated on their coal stoves, rotary dial telephones that even had a cord attached & I'll bet you even use battery operated tools once in awhile. While I do agree that the NG prices will go up it will be due to the free enterprise that you so cherish, much of the NG is controlled by big oil, they see it coming. If those horse farts you like are anything like cows they too may soon be a source of power. That's where some of mine comes from & they are building another, soon they may wake up & use sewage plants the same way that way you'll be paying for it going & coming. :idea: 8-)
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Re: Stop the left's war on coal

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:33 am

samhill wrote:Dann, it's cheap NG, bottom line those coal fired power plants have already been replaced.


That's only part of the issue Sam. When the NG rates come back up any plant that was recently closed will not come back online because the retrofit for the mercury standards is not worth it, No new plants will be built that don;lt start construction by March because of the CO2 caps. That's the bottom line. As I previously posted it was last year at this time natural gas dipped below the cost of coal, see the red line. Where it's been, wah tit did and most imporatantly where it's heading into the heating season.

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Re: Stop the left's war on coal

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:30 pm

SMITTY wrote:Tell your legislators to stop this BS.

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I did. Got a response from Senator Robert Mendez in NJ.

 
Dear Mr. Kaufer:
 
Thank you for contacting me to express your concerns about Environmental Protection Agency regulations.  Your opinion is very important to me, and I appreciate the opportunity to respond to you on this critical issue. 
 
In these challenging economic times, I share your interest in making smart policy choices that set our economy on the right track for long term growth.  However, I do not agree pollution creates jobs.  In fact, it increases health costs, lowers productivity, increases sick days, and is ultimately a drag on our economy.  As Congress evaluates policies that protect our air and water going forward, I will be sure to keep your views in mind. 
 
Again, thank you for sharing your thoughts with me.  Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future about this or any other matter of concern.  I invite you to visit my website (http://www.menendez.senate.gov/) to learn more about how I am standing up for New Jersey families in the United States Senate.


Yeah, he's standing up for for my family. :Roll: I took his response as he agrees with Obummer.
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