Obama's EPA has crushed coal plants

Obama's EPA has crushed coal plants

PostBy: Rex On: Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:39 pm

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Re: Obama's EPA has crushed coal plants

PostBy: DennisH On: Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:55 am

And you can thank all the people who voted for "hope and change." All he has done is "blame" and try to "shame," neither of which is very effective. :mad: :mad:
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Re: Obama's EPA has crushed coal plants

PostBy: carlherrnstein On: Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:23 pm

I wonder where people think electricty comes from? the next 20 years are going to be interesting
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Re: Obama's EPA has crushed coal plants

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:35 pm

They had back into the 90s to figure that one out. http://mothersandothersforcleanair.org/ ... ng_ALA.pdf
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Re: Obama's EPA has crushed coal plants

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:16 am

Report: More than 200 coal-fired generators slated for shutdown
Posted on September 22, 2012

http://cowboybyte.com/12811/report-more ... -shutdown/
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Re: Obama's EPA has crushed coal plants

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:03 pm

Many of those plants were on the chopping block for a long time & have already been replaced by gas fired units. The biggest problem will be in the future when gas prices go uo but power generators like all of big business only look as far as the next quarter or so profit instead of long term.
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Re: Obama's EPA has crushed coal plants

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:49 pm

No Sam the bigger problem will be when the NG price goes back up and you can't build a coal plant. The new CO2 caps proposed by the EPA will be effective this coming March. It hasn't become law yet but if/when it does any power plant built after that date will have to meet those standards even if the regulation isn't in effect yet. Until this regulation is either taken off the table or finalized there will be no movement towards any new coal plants. If it's finalized these caps cannot be met without carbon capture so it's unlikely any coal plants will be built sans new tech that doesn't exist, this only effects new plants but If it were retroactive to all power plants even the NG plants built the early part of the last decade could not meet these caps.

Coal as an energy source for any new generating capacity is effectively dead at this point.
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Re: Obama's EPA has crushed coal plants

PostBy: tsb On: Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:58 pm

Sam,

Maybe the politicians are only looking towards the next election.
All companies would plan ahead, if they knew what was ahead.
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Re: Obama's EPA has crushed coal plants

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:15 pm

It's been coming for decades but no one wanted to believe it, I know the plant I used to haul flyash out of knew it in the 80s, Duquesne Light ran it darn near into the ground then sold it off & it was still running a while back & if it still is I'm sure it will be shut down & should have been long ago. There was a replacement plant being built quite a few years ago & has most likely been on line for quite some time. What are we supposed to do allow something to keep running even if it's costing people their health & messing up the environment just so some that are too far away to be effected much don't want to be inconvenienced in any way?
The local small movie theater might have to close because they can't afford to upgrade to digital as I'm sure many others are as well but that's what happens, there aren't too many if any industrial users burning coal either & that was because it became cheaper to replace it way back in the 70s for the steel mills & before that in schools & hospitals & such, it's progress but you'll notice I said it was short sighted on the part of the power companies & hopefully something cheap & safe will come along.
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Re: Obama's EPA has crushed coal plants

PostBy: tsb On: Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:59 pm

Power companies are a strange bunch because of the federal mandates on power
capacities and backup generation capacity. We deal with power companies for
their security needs, and the people we talk to say the industry is a tangled web
regulations that nobody is really clear about. Deregulation didn't do anything
except confuse the public and complicate the generation and delivery of power.

If someone on the forum knows the industry maybe they could explain the mess
that is the electrical grid.
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Re: Obama's EPA has crushed coal plants

PostBy: Dann757 On: Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:34 pm

Listen to Samhill if you want a jacked up electric bill!!

Another suicidal liberal idea.

Obama is destroying the coal industry under our noses and all the libs can do is applaud it.

I don't have all the damn stats, but by 2016 Obama will have closed a huge number of coal plants under his gestapo EPA.

there is this BS going around how coal miners were forced to attend a rally in Ohio. Liberalism and the enviroweenies that have Obama in their camp will kill more jobs and drive the cost of electricity in the USa up so high there will be shortages by 2016.

The guy that says he is for the middle class is choking the life out of us.

In the meantime coal is being EXPORTED to CHINA, where they burn it straight into the atmosphere!!!

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PostBy: samhill On: Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:46 pm

It's the EPA that's colsing them, it just happens to be under Obamas watch I don't know if he could do anything about it or not I know he already tried one EO in the past. Look up all the laws & regulations like the clean air act & such (a good place to start), it started decades ago I don't expect you to believe me so look it up yourself & then find out if any Pres. would be able to stop it by himself. Ask Jpete what the Constitution says about coal fired power generation & the EPA.
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Re: Obama's EPA has crushed coal plants

PostBy: Dann757 On: Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:17 pm

You are dangerous. This is a COAL FORUM and all you can do is try to promote the totally America destructive policies of the worst President in history.

If a retired person surfs left wing websites all day long then they become brainwashed and dangerous in the sense that they can only see one side of things.

Get this guy in again and you will see 22 cents a kilowatt hour and nationwide electrical shortages.

I climb ladders for a living frequently and I'd be happy to help the nation by being a solar panel installer. SOLYNDRA SOLYNDRA SOLYNDRA --- a half-trillion dollar payoff to Obama's corrupt donors. Not a single damn panel and that company bankrupt!!! Obama lies to dupes all day long and they suck it up.

Job killer! America way worse off go ahead and keep rooting for the antichrist.


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Re: Obama's EPA has crushed coal plants

PostBy: Dann757 On: Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:32 pm

Look at the truth!


"GenOn Energy Inc. plans to close five of its older coal-fired power plants in Pennsylvania over the next four years.

The company, based in Houston, said Wednesday that tough new environmental rules make it unprofitable to operate the plants, which generate a total of 3,140 megawatts of electricity. The plants are in Portland, Shawville, Titus, New Castle and Elrama. Two plants in Ohio and one in New Jersey will also be closed. The company said the timeframes are subject to further review based on market conditions."


http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/01/f ... egulation/
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PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:36 pm

samhill wrote:What are we supposed to do allow something to keep running even if it's costing people their health & messing up the environment


The old plants that are closing due in part to the new mercury standards will reduce deposition rates here in the US 1% to 10% resulting in the average IQ increasing 2/1000 of one point......... at at least if you want to go by EPA figures.


it's progress but you'll notice I said it was short sighted on the part of the power companies & hopefully something cheap & safe will come along.


Natural gas is actually cheaper than col right now but I have my doubs that will be for very long especially with the environmentalists setting their site on them.

http://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/201207 ... debar.aspx

What's the official position now?
We view natural gas as a significant source of air and water pollution and greenhouse-gas emissions. In addition to its large climate footprint, the extraction of natural gas is having a big impact on rural communities, state forests, and the landscapes that we've worked hard to protect. Our primary goal is still to retire coal plants as quickly as possible and replace them with genuinely clean energy like solar and wind. Investing in gas actually hinders deployment of wind and solar, so we want to leapfrog gas as we move to a clean-energy future.

What about recent studies that suggest that the extraction and burning of natural gas has a bigger impact on climate change than coal does?
They're alarming. Studies in places like the Marcellus Shale and Colorado have shown that the greenhouse emissions from natural gas are much, much worse than originally thought. Unfortunately, there isn't yet a comprehensive empirical analysis of the full carbon footprint of gas. So the Sierra Club—along with almost every other environmental group—is calling for a full study that documents those emissions and the extent to which they can be controlled or avoided altogether.
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