What voter Fraud?

The state of Florida has identified 172,000 people that have voted or registered to vote that are potentially ineligible. As noted at the beginning of the article some may be immigrants that obtained their license and have since become citizens.

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Cate said the list of 182,000 people was drawn up by checking first and last names, date of birth and either a driver's license number, a Social Security number or an address. Most of the matches had identical driver's license numbers, names and birthdates. A state document shows that out of the nearly 182,000 identified that more than 172,000 were active voters, meaning they had cast ballots in recent elections or registered recently.

The state is taking the matches using other databases to try to confirm if the voter is not a U.S. citizen. Florida has asked for access to a federal database maintained by the Department of Homeland Security but so far the U.S. government has turned the state down.

I think it's more of a elected officials fraud, this has been going on since the 50s & they are just thinking about it now. I don't think there is anything on the voters side if they should have never been allowed in the first place.

samhill wrote:this has been going on since the 50s

Only as far back as the 50's? One of the 2600 people they have identified as illegally voting registered in 1959.

Keep in mind this list of 180K only consists of those legally in the country, illegals voting is whole other issue.

Richard, the only thing I was pointing out is that someone IMO or many someones who's job it is to register voters should have never allowed this to begin with. I lived in Miami in the 80s & I had to show proof back then after finally finding one of those someones that could speak English. If someone isn't sure if they are eligible goes to register & gets approved then they would (again IMO) rightfully guess that they could vote. Now if they somehow knowingly gave false information of some sort then they committed the fraud, if not then some official didn't do their job.

If there are potentially 200,000 illegal voters in Florida, can you imagine how many illegal voters there might be in California?

What state "officials" (who? they are not named) actually said, according to the AP article, is that 2,600 people are in the state legally who are not eligible to vote. It does not say these 2,600 are registered to vote or that they did vote.

The larger number of 182,000, inflated to 200,000 for the headline, apparently came from match-ups of several databases that the article does not identify. Having done database match-ups myself, I suspect early passes came up with millions of "suspects", and as more databases were added, 182,000 was one of many intermediate results on the way to whittling the number down to 2,600 -- who may or may not have voted and may or may not even have registered.

So the article is either very bad reporting; or a deliberate attempt to put a slant on 2,600 "possibles" out of 11 million voters; or both bad and slanted. The new Republican administration in my state, following the national Republican policy, launched an investigation with much fanfare into suspected voter fraud. And they found one! One. Or said they did -- no prosecution resulted, so maybe it was not even one.

rberq wrote:What state "officials" (who? they are not named) actually said, according to the AP article, is that 2,600 people are in the state legally who are not eligible to vote. It does not say these 2,600 are registered to vote or that they did vote.

The initial list is confirmed registered voter not eligible to vote:

The initial list of more than 2,600 voters given out by the state to supervisors shows the names of people who registered all the way from the late `50s to as recently as 2011. One Hillsborough County man on the list registered to vote in 1959.

Before we go saying that's insignificant lets remember this is Florida. 2600 votes certainly widens the margin in the Gore/Bush debacle significantly if they are voting predominantly for one party.

The larger number of 182,000, inflated to 200,000 for the headline, apparently came from match-ups of several databases that the article does not identify. Having done database match-ups myself, I suspect early passes came up with millions of "suspects", and as more databases were added, 182,000 was one of many intermediate results on the way to whittling the number down to 2,600 -- who may or may not have voted and may or may not even have registered.

I'd agree , it's preliminary number but the article does go on to say they are having trouble with the feds giving up information so they can determine citizenship.

In any event one fraudulent vote is too many, are you willing to give up yours?

samhill wrote: I lived in Miami in the 80s & I had to show proof back then after finally finding one of those someones that could speak English.

Fraud and incompetence from those registering voters aside, they are issuing driver license's to legal residents ineligible to vote. If there is no indication on the license they are ineligible to vote.........

Richard S. wrote:If there is no indication on the license they are ineligible to vote.........

BINGO! How much imagination would it take to have to show a license to vote, and have said license mention if for some reason it's not legal for you to vote? In my small town the only thing you need to show when you vote is up. (get it? Show up? hahahaaaa)

My Township is small as well & now I don't have to show any ID but the first couple times I voted I always had to show ID. In large towns like the Pittsburgh area where I lived before I always had to show ID & it was matched with the name & address on the party registration list. With the tech. today there is no reason why say for instance if someone dies that name isn't flagged as deceased on all sorts of records, I know for sure the tax man knows among others like S.S. that come to mind, when my previous wife passed away I was bombarded with letters & everyone wanted a DC.

I was in Portage, Indiana last week. I HAD to show I.D. to the kid behind the counter to buy a six pack!! but none to vote!!!!!

Richard S. wrote:

182,000 was one of many intermediate results on the way to whittling the number down to 2,600

I'd agree , it's preliminary number but the article does go on to say they are having trouble with the feds giving up information so they can determine citizenship.

How reliable is the information the feds have? Since when can we rely on that? How did Senator Ted Kennedy get on the no-fly list multiple times?

Richard S. wrote:In any event one fraudulent vote is too many, are you willing to give up yours?

Think about it. Maybe one fraudulent vote is NOT too many, if dozens of legitimate voters are booted off the roles just to be safe. Perfect is the enemy of good. How about when the cops interrupt a bank robbery, if they just shoot everybody in sight -- tellers, customers, bystanders, and all -- to help assure the bad guy doesn't slip through their fingers?