Can't Install XP

Can't Install XP

PostBy: Dann757 On: Tue May 22, 2012 6:32 pm

Ok I have a homebuilt pc :

Asus P5G41-M LE/CSM
Seagate Barracuda 7200 160 gig HD
1 gig Corsair ram
generic SATA dvd/rw
Asus EN400GS Silent PCI-E vid card
I had this machine running just so I could play Brothers in arms hell's highway lol
At one point one of the corsair memory sticks went out and it took a while to figure out why the pc wouldn't boot. Corsair replaced the pair of 1gig sticks under lifetime warranty. This just happened again! I ran the pc with the remaining good stick, it won't boot unless I take out the bad one.
Well recently, the same thing happened again, and the game was crashing a lot. I decided to re-install XP. I got a utility off of Download.com called Active KillDisc. It just writes zeros to the hd. It worked fine before when I used it. This time, I used it, and then set the bios to boot from CD, and put in the XP disc. It immediately went to Windows setup but got only so far before a BSOD with an error message : PCI.SYS.
So I assume the hard drive is blank and ready to be formatted by the XP disc. But as Windows starts loading its files, it hits this roadblock.

I'm wondering if I earsed some llf or mbr data or something, or if this is a possible MB problem. I'm going to put the hard drive in another pc as a slave and see if I can format it that way. I got a bunch of other software on CD's, but I can't boot from any CD unless it's the XP cd.

Just wondering, would like to troubleshoot this correctly.

EDIT: I put the Seagate in the other pc; it is recognized in device manager, but not in my commputer! I can uninstall or disable it in device manager, but not format it. since it's not there in my computer where I could format it, I can't format it lol.
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Re: Can't Install XP

PostBy: Rob R. On: Tue May 22, 2012 7:34 pm

Dan, you should be able to partition & format the dist from Windows setup...but go ahead and try it on the other pc. When you have the second PC running go into "administrative tools" (through the control panel), and somewhere in there you will find "Disk Management". You need to create a primary partition and format it NTFS.
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Re: Can't Install XP

PostBy: Dann757 On: Wed May 23, 2012 1:16 am

Thanks Rob,
Windows setup started loading files without giving me the what do you want to do screen. Unless it gave me the bsod before that screen comes up. I put the hd in another pc and XP installed itself. I swapped it back to the problem pc and I got the same pci.sys error. I tried the onboard video and back to the pci-e vid card- either way it wouldn't boot to the installed XP. Maybe the mb took a surge, it has surge protection onboard though. Didn't seem to be any video settings wrong in the bios setup. This is a pretty obsolete socket 775 but it ran my game OK. Still stumped.

I went to a couple pc stores, (mwave and newegg) man am I behind the times. I don't know what's what inthe current mobo/cpu/vid arena. I see thet have SSD hard drives now holy smokes. Higest capacity I saw was only 30gb though.
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Re: Can't Install XP

PostBy: Rob R. On: Wed May 23, 2012 3:29 pm

I did some research on this early this morning and it turns out the pre-service pack 2 versions of Windows XP won't recognize a PCI-Express Video card. You either need a XP install disc with SP2 slipstreamed into it, or you need a different video card to get you through the install and update process. Look for a cheap PCI video card, and disable the PCI-express via the bios. Once you have all the updates installed, enable the PCI-express bus and install the appropriate driver.
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Re: Can't Install XP

PostBy: kozel On: Thu May 24, 2012 10:41 am

Look into Nlite for taking an XP cd and service packs (I'd use SP3) to create an install disk.

http://www.nliteos.com/

If you have the motherboard set up for a raid configuration that may be a problem too. Unless you include the raid drivers (F6) the install is going to fail. Nlite will enable you to slipsteam the raid drivers as well if you don't have a floppy to include them (via F6).

Nice explanation here...

http://www.prime-expert.com/articles/b0 ... b-only.php
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Re: Can't Install XP

PostBy: JeepGuy04 On: Sat May 26, 2012 6:26 pm

I would look into updating your BIOS and check what version of XP you are installing. I think there are hard drive size limits of 127gb for xp... maybe pre sp2
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Re: Can't Install XP

PostBy: beemerboy On: Sat May 26, 2012 10:26 pm

I would suggest you download and run Memtest. It's a free program. You burn it to a cd and boot up off it

I had that problem with my laptop. and it turned out to be a bad memory stick.
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Re: Can't Install XP

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sun May 27, 2012 10:58 am

Nothing is ever simple ...... is it Dan? :lol:

Good luck man. My brain was seizing up reading all the info here ... :what: :wacko: :crazy:
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Re: Can't Install XP

PostBy: Dann757 On: Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:20 pm

SMITTY wrote:Good luck man. My brain was seizing up reading all the info here ...


Smitty- my brain seizes up more all the time! Everybody here has great respect for you man, I wish I could still get as much done as you. While I sit here alone messing around with dusty old pc's you're prolly having a sip of absynth with your nice ole lady and reflecting on all you got done today !!! :)

Sorry to post and vanish, I just read the replys and thanks to everybody!

Beeemerboy, thanks for the tip on memtest- I have that on cd ready to try- just got it from download.com. Corsair has been good about replacing memory sticks before.
Jeepguy- I got a bios update from Asus, and there is a utility onboard but I could not figure out how to run it yet- it is only a few months newer than the original.

Rob R. wrote:I did some research on this early this morning and it turns out the pre-service pack 2 versions of Windows XP won't recognize a PCI-Express Video card. You either need a XP install disc with SP2 slipstreamed into it, or you need a different video card to get you through the install and update process. Look for a cheap PCI video card, and disable the PCI-express via the bios. Once you have all the updates installed, enable the PCI-express bus and install the appropriate driver.


Rob R - thanks very much, you might have pinpointed this for me. I have a few spare XP discs lying around. I also have sp2 and sp3 that Bill Gates sent me. That might be the problem. I found a XP disc that has sp3 and as of now, setup has not crashed with the "PCI.SYS" error message! It's formatting the hd right now, with the pci-e vid card in it!!!!
Thanks and remember this already obsolete machine was put together for the purpose of participating in the invasion of Normandy! I hope to be able to toss a grenade into that bell tower and take out that MG-42 nest again. :lol:
It's a semi-rainy day here so I don't feel too bad about getting back into this.

I had this machine running previously
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Re: Can't Install XP

PostBy: Dann757 On: Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:14 pm

AAAARRGH

I spoke too soon.

XP formatted the hd, started installing, and now is giving me "XP can't install (various files). It beat me like a drum again.

On one reboot the mb bios told me there was a power surge problem.
It's a quite new Antec 500w power supply

I wonder if there's coal dust in the dvd drive.

The XP disc is pristine, seems the hd is fine.
I think this machine must have taken a surge.

Even the memtest program stopped itself before it could finish.

Maybe I'll reset the cpu but I don't think it's overheating.

sux
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Re: Can't Install XP

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:28 pm

Try loading the default values in the bios.
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Re: Can't Install XP

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:36 pm

Try installing Linux. If that works, then it is not a hardware issue.
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Re: Can't Install XP

PostBy: 2001Sierra On: Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:59 pm

Check your system bd and see if you have expanded capacitors. They will cause the craziest symptoms. The tops of the caps should be flat as a board. Expanded capacitors are an industry wide problem a while back but still keep showing up to this day. I have seen numerous customers systems at work with these, and the symptoms are off the wall, even some flat panel screens will screw up with them.If you need more expalnation PM and me and we can talk on the phone.
Thanks
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Re: Can't Install XP

PostBy: Dann757 On: Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:44 am

Thanks guys. I'm trying to fix a bamboo raft when there's fiberglass boats all over the beach.

I have parts I can swap out of my other spare. Did load bios defaults. Funny the Memtest didn't even get started before it froze. It worked fine on this pc. I think if the hd formatted it's OK. Maybe it's the sata dvd burner. The hd is on the one ide channel on this board.

No expanded caps! Never heard of that trick.

I worked for a Hobart repair place once, the boss' son told me to put the wrong battery-sized cap in a slicer. I put it in and fired the slicer up, and the cap blew up in a big cloud of white smoke!

Newegg or Mwave is a click away, I just am too cheap to put a dime into upgrading to play a game from 2008 lol.
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Re: Can't Install XP

PostBy: kozel On: Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:13 am

2001Sierra is right, there's even a wiki. Interesting read, even implies industrial espionage . As a dealer, I've seen it many times. Some motherboard manufactures stand behind their product even beyond warranty time and others did not. I had several MSI boards fail and they stuck with their warranty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
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