Florida to Sue Governement for Access to Data

Re: Florida to Sue Governement for Access to Data

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:19 am

Richard S. wrote:...

Having said that why is Homeland Security under the direction of the DOJ blocking Florida from accessing a database .......



"We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."


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forget about the left/right mental boxes, divided we fall.
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Re: Florida to Sue Governement for Access to Data

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:32 am

samhill wrote: I think turning away one legal voter is far worse than an illegal one slipping thru,


I would say that is equal Sam, in both cases someone is losing their vote. When a illegal voter votes they cancel out someone elses vote. It's o different than not voting at all.


whats to stop a group from counterfeiting voter ID if they want fraud?


Have you looked at a PA ID recently? This isn't something you can easily counterfeit. The hologram you're familiar with is hard enough to duplicate , the new one suppresses the color spectrum and appears black and white. If someone is able to duplicate this ID the market for it would be worth hundreds if not thousands for each one.
http://news.ellwoodcity.org/2012/02/07/ ... t-to-fake/

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The new hologram suppresses the “rainbow” colors normally associated with holographic images. The result is a hologram that appears to switch between white and black as the image is moved. Also, because the new image is of a much higher resolution, it is clearly visible in bright, moderate and even low-light environments.
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Re: Florida to Sue Governement for Access to Data

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:36 am

Black_And_Blue wrote:
forget about the left/right mental boxes, divided we fall.


As far as I know Homeland Security has no say in this, the database they have was specifically set up for checking citizenship. It's the DOJ blocking them from letting Florida use it. I very much see it as a left and right issue as far as the DOJ's actions go.
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Re: Florida to Sue Governement for Access to Data

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:38 pm

I mentioned that 46 of the voters purged were in one Florida County alone, here's why. The election supervisor took it a step further:

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2012/jun ... rs-in-lee/

Every month, Harrington's office gets a report from the local clerk of courts with the names of potential jurors who asked to be excused from duty because they were not citizens. Those names are matched with the county's official voter rolls.

The results showed that nearly half of those potential jurors who said they weren't citizens were listed in her files as being eligible to vote.

What's not known is whether they lied when they registered to vote, or lied in court to get out of jury duty.

"That's the question," Harrington said.

Either way, they've sworn in court that they're not citizens, so her office is removing them from voter rolls.
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Re: Florida to Sue Governement for Access to Data

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:05 pm

If someone swears that they are not a citizen then why aren't they deported, wouldn't lying about voter eligibility be a violation of their VISA if they do have one & if not they should be ousted.
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Re: Florida to Sue Governement for Access to Data

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:24 pm

samhill wrote:If someone swears that they are not a citizen then why aren't they deported,


Because they are here legally.



wouldn't lying about voter eligibility be a violation of their VISA if they do have one & if not they should be ousted.


Agree, the courts should pursue these people. Either deport them if they aren't citizens for the voter registration fraud or prosecute them for lying they are not citizens.
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Re: Florida to Sue Governement for Access to Data

PostBy: Yanche On: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:52 pm

Richard S. wrote:
samhill wrote:If someone swears that they are not a citizen then why aren't they deported,


Because they are here legally.



wouldn't lying about voter eligibility be a violation of their VISA if they do have one & if not they should be ousted.


Agree, the courts should pursue these people. Either deport them if they aren't citizens for the voter registration fraud or prosecute them for lying they are not citizens.

Lots of non-US citizens are here legally, from the H1-B work visas for professional workers to the migrant farm workers. Depending on how the court selects it's jury pool I can see how they could even be called up for jury duty. They have resident addresses and social security records. They also get traffic tickets and get into trouble like the rest of us.
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Re: Florida to Sue Governement for Access to Data

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:53 pm

Looks like the DOJ got some bad news today, guess it's the opening act for tomorrow. LOL



http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/27/2869977/florida-and-feds-head-to-court.html
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- A judge on Wednesday rejected a request by federal authorities to block Florida's contentious move to remove potentially ineligible voters from its rolls.

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Florida compared driver's license records with voter registration records and came up with the list of 182,000 registered voters who may not be U.S. citizens. The state did not send out the list because it was trying to access a federal immigration database to double-check the names.
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A spokesman for Scott said the state will not distribute that longer list unless the state can check the names against a federal immigration database. Florida is suing to obtain access to that database after getting rebuffed by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.
FYI Florida is suing for access to this database as they are legally entitled to it for voter registration.[/quote]


So the question becomes is does the DOJ continue to throw these eligible voters under the bus that are false positives to protect the ineligible voters. Florida is suing for access to this database and if they get access to it to consequences could be enormous. If they find 10's of thousands of ineligible voters I don't see any alternative to every state doing the same thing.
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Re: Florida to Sue Governement for Access to Data

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:57 pm

One of the top republican leaders admitted that at least in Pa. it was all a ploy to discourage democratic voters amongst other things, I believe it was Mike Turzi.
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Re: Florida to Sue Governement for Access to Data

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:09 pm

samhill wrote:One of the top republican leaders admitted that at least in Pa. it was all a ploy to discourage democratic voters amongst other things, I believe it was Mike Turzi.



No that is not what he said,
"Pro-Second Amendment? The Castle Doctrine. It's done," said Turzai, whose remarks were captured on video and posted to the video-sharing site YouTube. "First pro-life legislation — abortion facility regulations — in 22 years. Done. Voter ID, which is going to allow Gov. Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania. Done."


This falls in line with everything the Republicans have been saying all the time which is there is huge amount of voter fraud, e.g no more voter fraud and Obama doesn't take PA.
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Re: Florida to Sue Governement for Access to Data

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:16 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8
You can find more without any problem but it is what he said.
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Re: Florida to Sue Governement for Access to Data

PostBy: Coalfire On: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:32 pm

samhill wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8
You can find more without any problem but it is what he said.




In that clip he said voter id will allow romney to win pa done.


Nothing was said as to ellude that it is a ploy to discourage democratic voters :?


maybe I can't hear.



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Re: Florida to Sue Governement for Access to Data

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:39 pm

As I said there are other longer clips but naturally none from Fox so you wouldn't believe them, those were the words coming from the horse's a er mouth that were disputed, seek & you shall learn.
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Re: Florida to Sue Governement for Access to Data

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:42 pm

samhill wrote:As I said there are other longer clips but naturally none from Fox so you wouldn't believe them, those were the words coming from the horse's a er mouth that were disputed, seek & you shall learn.


Sam the text I posted above is word for word what was said.

Voter ID, which is going to allow Gov. Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania. Done.
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Re: Florida to Sue Governement for Access to Data

PostBy: Coalfire On: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:43 pm

samhill wrote:As I said there are other longer clips but naturally none from Fox so you wouldn't believe them, those were the words coming from the horse's a er mouth that were disputed, seek & you shall learn.



Don't want to seek, if you have a clip of him saying what you claim post it.



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